Bloodlines Mailing List archives May 5-6, 1997
from the John Stewart email list
The Devil in Berkeley... -REB
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-05
From: Loboaw@ix.netcom.com (Steve)
And as a follow-up to John re: the origin of "Sierra Tango", "Sierra
Hotel" are the phonetic pronunciations for the letters "S" and "H" (and
Tango = "T"). In the combat aircrew community beginning during the
Vietnam War era, "Sierra Hotel" was used as a shorthand appelation to
describe a hot fighter or attack pilot or anything of exceptional
achievement. It stood for "Shit hot." It would typically be used as in
the following:
"You just got approved for R&R in Bankok."
"Sierra Hotel!!"
-Steve Silver
aka Lobo (AW)
late of Her Majesty's Horse Marines
former Zeppelin Tailgunner
F4 RIO
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-05
From: Loboaw@ix.netcom.com (Steve)
Angelbravo@aol.com wrote:
>
> Once again you're on the money on this one. I used Sierra Tango because the
> cadence was better.
Heck, I thought that was the reference, but I always liked the "Tango".
War in a fighter plane sometimes takes on the elements of a high
velocity, very structured dance. The penalty for getting the
choreography wrong is a bit steeper, though...We used to talk about
"dancing around" the triple-A ("AAA" = "antiaircraft artillery" =
remember CNN in Baghdad when the boys went "downtown"? That's it.).
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-05
From: Loboaw@ix.netcom.com (Steve)
Re: "Lobo (AW)" Tactical callsign while in Marine F4s. Lobo was a
nickname picked up early on while in the Marines (liked doing single man
patrolling, etc). The "(AW)" was an old aircraft designation which stood
for "All-Weather" (as in VMF (AW) - 115), meaning the squadron could fly
in the dark or rain since it was radar equipped: when I got to Vietnam,
since I was a backseater and handled the radar of the F4 Phantom, and
because we already had a pilot using the callsign "Lobo", the guys added
the "(AW)".
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-06
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Facinating stuff.
Any information such as you just sent to me would be appreciated.
It tends to end up in songs.
Where do you live.
Bravo out.
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-05
From: t_mstrin@qualcomm.com (Merle Stringfield)
Hi James,
Welcome to Bloodlines!!! My son Justin, who is 14, was the only one at HIS
school who knew who JS was.....that was until his friends started hanging
around in the morning so they could get a ride to school. Now theres a
whole bunch of freshmen who know who John Stewart is.....ah, yet another
generation of JS music lovers!!!!!
Merle
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: t_mstrin@qualcomm.com (Merle Stringfield)
Hi John,
My wife and I are volunteers for Project Wildlife, and currently have baby
Opposums in our den. I have forwarded a copy of your letter to the local
leader. Thanks for your involvment in something as hidious as this.
Merle Stringfield
PS: The Opposums were pretty active when "Rough Sketches" was being played
last
Saturday....must have been the "Neon Cage"
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: blasalle@crc-gw.med.utah.edu (GCRC System manager)
Angelbravo,
While I recognize that some animal research is still needed, I am a
strong advocate against cruel and unnecessary animal research. As a
member of the research community (I run the computer systems for the
General Clinical Research Center [GCRC] here at the University of Utah
but all of our subjects are human) I think it is imperative that this
type of research be stopped!!!
Bad science is bad science whether it involves animals or humans, except
humans can usually speak for themselves when injustices are involved
(although that's not always true either). I am going to pursue this as
far as I can to get some resolution. I sent Russell DeValois an e-mail
directly telling hime I was looking into this and wanted his response.
I will also find out what committees have approved the research and
contact them.
I know some folks at the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and will
also try working that angle. I know... it sounds like a morass of
beauracracy and it is, but unless pressure is applied to the nerve
centers the body never responds. I also notified the Vegan organization
in the Berkeley area requesting that they too look into this.
I'll post any news for those interested.
bernie (aka Lefty)
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-05
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Hello "Straight Edge" "Grease Monkey" "Calvinistic" James,
You're funny....we LIKE that. (I think all 'liners would agree that
second to our love of John's music, we love his sense of humour.) Your
intro was excellent--welcome aboard. Catherine
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: MARGIE104@aol.com
I'll be there to help in spirit!!
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Thanks, write a letter
as well.
Victory
Bravo out.
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Subj: Re: Welcome aboard James
Date: 97-05-05
From: DMotley@aol.com
Welcome aboard "Bloodlines" James. It's really cool to see how many young
people are into John's music. I find that most young people that I come
into contact with (I'm a teacher) have never heard of John Stewart, but they
know the lyrics to "Daydream Believer". I sometimes play John's songs in my
class as a writing prompt. I have used "Armstrong", "Botswanna", "
Irresistible Targets", and" Mac Brasel's Farm" just to mention a few thought
provoking songs. I better not say any more, or John will want me to pay
royalties.
I have been taking my two teenage sons, and their friends, to Stewart
concerts for years. My oldest son, David is a devoted "Deadhead" , but
likes John's music because it's not too different from the folkiness of the
Grateful Dead. In fact, John and the "Dead" have both covered some of the
same material.
My youngest, Sean, is an avid drummer, and likes John's music too, although
he probably wouldn't admit it to his friends. He's mostly into classic rock
( Zepplin, Hendrix, & Santana) and death-metal (Pantera, Metallica, Korn,
etc.), however, I have caught him several times drumming along to Midnight
Wind,and July, You're A Woman.
Once again, welcome aboard, and ........... "Keep it flyin' ",
MOTT
Crestline, Ca.
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Subj: Re: Phoenix lurker
Date: 97-05-05
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
In a message dated 97-05-04 20:00:54 EDT, you write:
<< Update on the cultural desert - Tom Rush played the Rockin' Horse a few
weeks ago - there were 10 people there. Tom came out and said something
like - what an intimate crowd we have tonight. Played like the place
was packed. Think John would have done the same...
Saw Bravo do same.......when I was 1 of 14 .......in the desert of San
Antonio.......summer of 92.....just a mile down from Slaughter
Lane......Bluesman out
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Subj: Re: Youngsters
Date: 97-05-05
From: MARGIE104@aol.com
Sorry Michelle......
I MUST have been the youngest........at 31......until James arrived
It's not the age that counts, though, it's the size of the Folk CD
collection!!!!!!!!
Margie
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
<< The Devil lives in Berkeley and his name is DeValois.
THIS IS A CALL TO ARMS.
Thank you, you have never let me down.
John Stewart.
>>
On letterhead........Bluesman out
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-05
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
I'm already on it since you mentioned it on the webcast last week. But, if
you have the specific citations for the "recent reports", could you post
them so i (or others) can track them down. If not, I guess any local PETA
would have it?
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-05
From: pplumlee@osprey.unf.edu (Patrick Plumlee)
Clack--
Thanks for noticing, both that I had returned and that obscure article.
I have been around for a couple of months, but as I said, I had some
trouble getting stuff posted initially, and then I just got very busy.
I am in a slack period now, so I have returned to postponed matters to
get them straightened out. Or more accurately, I have thrown myself at
the feet of our resident web goddess Michelle and begged her to fix it.
In a stunning display of technical wizardry she made it o.k. So here I
am, safe at last. I am amazed you remember that article. [Ron is
referring to an article I wrote back in the mid-80s for the short-lived
Folk Era magazine, a sort of house organ for Rediscover music. The
article was, as I recall, a comparison of the banjo styles of Dave Guard
and John Stewart in their respective versions of the KT.]
One day I got off the Nancinet for some reason and never got back on.
Many of the best people on it have made their way to bloodliners anyhow.
I did buy NG's latest, however. I think I can say categorically that it
is better than Late Night Grande Hotel.
Enough of this froth. Glad to be in touch--I continue to enjoy your
always thoughtful and open-hearted posts, and am highly pleased to be
remembered.
Patrick
looking pleased...
On Sun, 4 May 1997 ClackClack@aol.com wrote:
>
> Glad all the lurkers have been coming out. I know there at at least a few
> "young ones". As always I enjoy and never get tired of hearing about how
> Stewart's songs reach folks. Patrick- glad you've come out of the woodworks-
> wondered where you've been hiding since the NanciNet days. I found an old
> article you wrote in Rediscover or maybe Kingston Korner about a decade ago.
> It was a kick seeing your name there.
>
>
> I'm glad you're all out here.
>
> Ron
>
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
I knew the Commander of the Southern Post would rally the troops.
DeValois, Deadman.
Victory
Bravo out.
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-06
From: joehler@afes.com
Hello,
Thank you Catherine for the welcome and compliments.. :-) Also thank
you to Merle and Dmotely for their welcome messages... I am suprised
to hear that other kids even younger than I :-), are listening to Mr.
Stewart.. But then again I am not suprised because the man does have
good music .. Again, thanks for the replies .. talk to you guys
later..
"Drag Racin" James
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Thanks Merle . DeValois, Deadman.
Victory
Bravo out.
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: tburke1@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Just read your posting of the 4th. Consider my reaction the same as yours, and
my message to the Chancellor at Berkeley on the way. Thank you for bringing
these despicable acts to our attention. DeValois must go.
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-06
From: ndavis@microbanker.com (Nancy Davis)
Hi James,
My 20 year old son and his girlfriend laughed when I asked them which
Stewart they were going to listen to -- James or Rod! I can't wait to
introduce them to JS songs now that I have a few CDs of my own. Spread
the word.
--
Nancy
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: DMotley@aol.com
I agree DeValois must go. I won't require you to give me the details on his
misdeeds at Berzerkly, but I am curious. Where can I read about him? I
will be E-Mailing the University just as soon as I hang up from here. In
fact this sounds like a good class project for my students this morning.
Consider it done, John!
Keep it flyin' , MOTT
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Subj: Re: AOL chat
Date: 97-05-06
From: ndavis@microbanker.com (Nancy Davis)
>However, if John and/or Dave can make it next week sometime,
> say the second Tuesday, May 13th, we could do that. How does that sound guys?
> (and gals)
>
> Ron
This sounds good, but will you tell all us new-comers how a chat works?
Nancy D.
[ only available at present to AOL folks..-REB]
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Subj: Re: Brief Intro/Davis Concert
Date: 97-05-06
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
Hi, James. Add to that 20 college students from last fall's "Reading and
Interpretation" class who think "Rocket Roy" is one of the best things
they've ever heard.
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Subj: Kentucky Lightshine
Date: 97-05-06
From: GregDenis@aol.com
A friend sends along this passage, excerpted from the book "Kentucky, Land of
Contrast" by Thomas D. Clark:
Indians hunted and battled through its valleys at will. They were jealous
guardians of their rich hunting ground as they made clear to Boone and his
companions when some of them were captured in the summer and early fall of
1769. John Stewart and Alexander Neely lost their lives in this first
hunting adventure. Daniel Boone learned firsthand of the grave dangers
lurking in the great western woods.
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Subj: Call To Arms
Date: 97-05-06
From: kew@islandnet.com (Kevin Woodward)
Kevin with his Arms around Lucy and Daisy (2 cocker spaniels)
Letter posted.
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Subj: Re: Michelle a Heavy?--I Don't Think So
Date: 97-05-06
From: ray.butler@dial.pipex.com (Ray Butler)
alleycat@cruzio.com wrote:
>
> >> This is our site and a pretty terrific bunch of nuts you are.<<
>
> Please Bravo, we appreciate you noticing what a terrific bunch of nuts
> we are, but we do prefer being referred to as Serious Folk
> Musicologists.
> Catherine
Musicologist / Scmoozicologist - I'm one of the nuts and proud of it.
BTW Thanks a million (several million in fact) Michelle. All the best
with the move.
Ray Butler
Manchester UK
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
You could write to In Defense of Animals
816 West San Francisco Blvd. San Rafael Ca.94901
or call(415)453-9984
They have the goods.
Go get'em.
Bravo out.
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Subj: Re: HELP/the devil's web addresses
Date: 97-05-06
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
Dr. DeValois has a web page [benignly] describing his research interests at
http://spectacle.berkeley.edu/vsp/RLDV.html
His email address is
russ@valois.berkeley.edu
Sorry, I don't have the technology to make those active.
[Still probably more effective to snailmail the Chancellor, NIH, etc.]
I haven't been able to track down specific charges, but the words
"vivisection", "visual cortex," "visual perception," and "macacque" keep
coming up in references to DeValois' own work. It looks like he's been
mapping visual processing in the brains of live, conscious cats and
monkeys. There may be some interesting results, but not interesting enough
to justify the methodology.
A thought: The monkeys are used precisely because of their
"psycho-perceptual" similarity to humans. Yet the torturous invasive
procedures are justified on the basis of the monkey's suppossed essential
difference from humans. Such double-think hardly seems scientific,
reasonable, rational, or objective to me. Compassion and respect for life
are not antithetical to science or knowledge--it's a crime when scholars
themselves make this mistake.
If you find other references, email me, MOTT (or anybody).
del
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: BKalben@msn.com (Barbara Kalben)
Here are some other web sites regarding Dr. DeValois:
http://www.envirolink.org/arrs/essays/censored_story.html
http://superkids.org/ida/index1.html
http://superkids.org/ida/ida.html
http://superkids.org/ida/ida3b.html
http://superkids.org/ida/ida4b.html
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Subj: Re: HELP
Date: 97-05-06
From: tburke1@CCGATE.HAC.COM
John
Consider the letter in the mail. Is there an e-mail address we can flood as
well?
Tom
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Subj: I have freely admitted we're a bunch of nuts, never doubted it!!
Date: 97-05-06
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Greetings Ray in Manchester wrote:>
> Musicologist / Scmoozicologist - I'm one of the nuts and proud of it.<
It's a joke, Ray--we're all nuts and very proud of it. The best part
though is our beloved Bravo didn't just refer to us as nuts...he thinks
we're a pretty terrific bunch of nuts. And I agree with him--you
Bloodliners ARE terrific. I've been here a month and it's been great fun
reading your posts and getting to know some of you. To all, I'd like to
say thank you. I believe Ron Beffa is right: you are an exceptionally
fine group of people bound together by the music of an exceptionally
fine man. Catherine out
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Subj: Help is on the way!
Date: 97-05-06
From: lnhfbo@polaristel.net (Luke N. Havumaki)
Message sent from Minnesota as well. Now let's work to wipe out
hunger...Wishful thinking but I don't know many people who can find as
willing a group of people to follow him as John does...For all the
newcomers, welcome. The discussion over who is the youngest 'liner
reminds me of a line I heard , "music isn't a horse race" We can all
agree that our lives have been a little richer from the moment we first
put John of the turntable/CD/tape recorder, so if we use that as a basis
for age on the bloodlines, I would be a deliberate Stewartista since
1978, so that would make me 19...
Possible discussion topic for this group:
Which CD would you use of John's to introduce newbies to his work?
Even though it's a case of what food do you give a starving man, as
any Stewart CD is treasured,
my own choice is Greetings from John Stewart an American Original. Great
intro, great songs, excuse me I have to go put it on right now.
Luke
There is a train and it runs by my room
And the train is called reality and it's coming way too soon.-John Stewart
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Subj: Re: Help is on the way!
Date: 97-05-06
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
In a message dated 97-05-06 22:06:33 EDT, you write:
<< Possible discussion topic for this group:
Which CD would you use of John's to introduce newbies to his work?
I'm always spreading the gospel..........I tailor the tape to the
taste.......of the taster........a little "Teresa" here.....a little
"Bandera" there.......I use the whole palette........intuition
rules.........success rate high.......Bluesman out
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Subj: The Devil DeValois
Date: 97-05-06
From: oakpath@webtv.net (Dennis Pezzani)
Sent an angry letter off today. Let's show John
that his bloodliners can kick some ass if needed. 150 letters aren't
enough, but it's a start! What if each of us can get a few friends
involved ? It could end up a geometric progression. From what John has
told us Christ
sure doesn't hang out with this devil at night!
Let's go for it.It's the RIGHT THING TO DO!
Denny Pezzani (St. Louis, Mo)
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Subj: Re: HELP/the devil's web addresses
Date: 97-05-06
From: TTillman@compuserve.com (Terry Tillman)
At the risk of appearing to be a heretical Stewartista I submit the
following:
One thing that is attractive and beautiful about John's music is the spirit
of connection, acceptance, understanding, compassion, loving and oneness
that speaks through it. Seems to me that the againstness and separation I'm
seeing in the attacks against Dr. DeValois might be contrary to that, or at
the least premature. Have you got all the information and facts before you
condemn him as guilty? And are you against him or his methods? He actually
may be a nice guy with good intentions and a misguided approach. Maybe he
needs some education, not a battle. At the least he's an animal too, so do
you want to impose the same level of cruelty toward him that you think he's
directing toward the animals. Just a thought.
Terry T.
"Like heavyweight champs after the fight, do Christ and the Devil hang out
at night..."
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