Bloodlines Mailing List archives May 1-2, 1997
from the John Stewart email list
More on U2, venues, a bunch of new members and the usual chat... -REB
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Subj: Re: Mail...
Date: 97-05-01
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
Seems to me that when we discourage participation....no matter how
small..... we defeat the purpose of this unique cameraderie.......the more
"messages" we get not to communicate.....the more we won't.......BLuesman
out........
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Subj: Re: The Edge Does JS But's Too Dim to Know
Date: 97-05-01
From: lcfoster@sdcoe.k12.ca.us (Laurie (and Bob, Katie, and Matt) Foster)
Dan Hodges wrote:
>
> Inquiring minds want to know - did Edge sing happy or funky??
>
Dan-I didn't go it was my daughter and she didn't notice (sigh)
Bob
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Subj: Re: The Edge Does JS But's Too Dim to Know
Date: 97-05-01
From: Eddie@eddiea.demon.co.uk (Eddie Armstrong)
Mike Mooney writes
>Hate to bring this up, but I suspect we're geeting one of those
>"Americans=literal/Europeans=ironic" things here. I'm no great fan of U2,
>but I don't believe for a MINUTE that The Edge thinks Dylan wrote 'Daydream
>Believer'.
>
>This is exactly the sort of thing that a British or Irish musician would say
>'deadpan', just to see what the response is (on second thoughts, s/he
>probably wouldn't even be bothered about the response). I believe the
>correct one would be a knowing grin. ;~)
>
I don't know what "Americans=literal/Europeans=ironic" means as Dylan,
John and others are masters of irony (and many other forms of
expresssion) - or am I just being too literal?
Anyway I'm not sure if Britain has signed the European Irony Charter
yet. . :-) (British political joke)
If Edge wrongly ascribed a John S song in this way it was probably just
a weak joke
P.S What's an Edge? :-)
--
Eddie
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Subj: Re: Fwd: Re: The Edge Does JS But's Too Dim to Know
Date: 97-05-01
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
Angelbravo@aol.com wrote:
>.... and U2 sang one of my songs. Even though
>some friends choose to treat it as a joke.
>
John,
You're absolutely right, and please forgive those of us who took it a little
lighter than we should have.
I think it's just that we all love you and your music so much, we would love
for you to get more of the "recognition" that we believe you are due.
I personally don't care for U2, but I do recognize that millions do, and
that they are very well known.
and by the way, I'm soooo glad I nagged ya a bit about playing your banjo
after all these years of not seeing/hearing you play. <G> I won't take any
credit, of course,but I'm just glad you dusted it off again, because you DO
play GREAT!! <BG>
See you in Scottsdale next month!!!
Nancy
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Subj: Re: Live John Interview
Date: 97-05-01
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
DBATTI@aol.com wrote:
>By the way Nanc, Scottsdale is tentatively scheduled for June 15th with a
>Flagstaff and Tucson date being worked on by Gordoom. Also Napa Valley Folk
>Festival on Sept 20th has been added...will put up a full itinerary as soon
>as dates are firmed up.
>
>Ciao...Dave
>
KEWL!!!! Already put it on my calender, marked that day off to not work at
the store, saving pennies <W> for tickets, and lookin' for a DATE! <BG> You
know anyone in Scottsdale who would like to escort "John's biggest fan", in
addition to bein' one fun chicky!! <BG>
Tanks, Dave...yer a doll <BG>
Nanc
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Subj: Fwd: Re: Mail...
Date: 97-05-01
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Well said Bluesman
Bravo out.
----- Attached Item -----
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
To: bloodlines@world.std.com
Seems to me that when we discourage participation....no matter how
small..... we defeat the purpose of this unique cameraderie.......the more
"messages" we get not to communicate.....the more we won't.......BLuesman
out........
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Subj: introduction & question
Date: 97-05-01
From: brookska@dickinson.edu (Katharine Brooks)
Hi Bloodliners- I'm new to this group- I just signed on last week and it's
great to read all your messages. I was told to introduce myself so here
goes: my name is Kate Brooks and I am the director of career services at a
small liberal arts college in Carlisle, PA where I also teach film
courses. John Stewart is my favorite songwriter, and I also like
Mason Williams, Hoyt Axton, Lyle Lovett, Billy Ed Wheeler (who does a
great recording of "The Reverend Mr. Black"-out of print now, but I have
the record), Steve Goodman, Ian Tyson, Guy Clark, Jerry Jeff Walker,and
other too numerous- and too obscure- to mention.
I first heard of John Stewart through the Monkees' recording of "Daydream
Believer." I then audio-taped (no VCR's back then) John's performance on
(I think) The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour. (He performed "Armstrong".)
Then, a few years later, my high school music teacher lent me an album
("Lonesome Picker"?) with "Bolinas" on it. He wanted me to learn the
guitar part and join him in a duet. Needless to say, from that point on I
was hooked. I think I have virtually all of his records, and most of his
CD's. I also have the Phoenix Concert songbook you've been talking about.
What a thrill it is to find others who are familiar with John's work.
Now I have a question: does anyone have some suggestions for the chords to
"Shadows of the Angels' Wings"? I've been trying to figure them out and I
bought John's new pocket guide to his songs (which is terrific) hoping it
would be in there, but it wasn't. I believe it starts on a G chord, with
a descending bass (Fsharp, E, D) then to a C chord and then to a D. But
I'm not quite sure whether some of the following chords are supposed to be
minor or not. Just can't quite hear it. Any suggestions are welcome.
"Shadows" is probably my favorite song- it has gotten me through many a
tough day and helped me keep a positive perspective.
Please keep me apprised of the plans for the bus trip on 66. I'm
definitely interested!
Finally, for those of you on the East Coast who are looking for a terrific
way to spend a week, consider looking into "Common Ground" at Western
Maryland College in Westminster, MD (about an hour from DC or Baltimore).
It's run by Walt Michael (a hammered dulcimer musician) and features a
week of music and art instruction. (I wish John would teach there!)
Guitar lessons include blues, open tunings, flatpicking, and beginners
classes. There are courses in fiddle, dobro, mandolin, dulcimers
(mountain and hammered), harmonica, piano, harp,bass, and banjo (taught by
Tony Trischka, if there are bluegrass fans in this group). There are
classes on creativity, songwriting (one taught by Charles John Quarto who
wrote "Geronimo's Cadillac"- now there's an obscure reference!), poetry,
singing, orchestration/arranging, etc. There are also a number of arts &
craft classes. Total cost for room, food, and a whole week of all the
classes you want to take is $500, so not a bad deal. Anyway, want more
info? Their phone number is 410-857-2771. You can e-mail the director at
cground@qis.net.
Oh-one final note: I was in the grocery store the other day and found
myself humming along with the muzak (a scary thought), when I
suddenly realized it was John! "Lost Her In The Sun" was in the
muzak tape playing in the store...
Sorry this has been such a long message.... thanks for reading. Take care,
everyone.
Kate
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Subj: Re: Live John Interview
Date: 97-05-01
From: MFinleyCS@aol.com
Time, once again, to whine about still no JS concert scheduled in the Pacific
Northwest anyplace. . .
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Subj: Lurker no more!
Date: 97-05-01
From: kew@islandnet.com (Kevin Woodward)
Dear Bloodliners,
Well this is my coming out day too! I am a Folksinger from Victoria, B.C.
and have been a John Stewart fan for years and years. I have been on the
list for about a month and have been one of those mysterious lurkers who
don't identify themselves. I have however enjoyed my morning coffee breaks
on the net with all of you. I am also an accountant and Canadian Income Tax
must be filed by April 30. IT IS MAY 1ST and I now have time to write my
introduction.
My first introduction to Folkmusic was an old record that my parents had in
their record cabinet when I was a kid called "TONIGHT: IN PERSON THE
LIMELITERS. I must have played that record a million times. John Stewart
wrote HEADIN' FOR THE HILLS that was on that album. When my parents
divorced, I made sure I went with the parent who took that album. I became
a huge fan of the Limeliters and The Kingston Trio and hence another
introduction to John Stewart. Over the years as I have grown up and gone
through lifes bumps and grinds, John's music has grown with me and it seems
that his music has always been there for me at the right time. As I dive
head first into middle age, I am finding more time for my music, and I sing
many of John's songs. I have introduced John's music to many of the folk
societies on Vancouver Island.
My favorite John Stewart songs: Some Kind of Love, Botswana, Spinnin' of
the World, Headin' for the Hills, Survivors, Strange Rivers,.......
It is wonderful to know there are so many of you out there of like mind and
interests. Thank you Michelle for making me feel so welcome.
I belong to the Victora Folk Music Society and we meet every Sunday evening.
The first half of the evening consists of an open stage and then every week
we have a feature performer. We fill the place each week. We have 5 or 6
similar clubs on Vancouver Island and I would be happy to post details if
any of you are coming to our ROCK.
I'm sure you all know this but Dave Batti sent me a terrific catalogue of
great John Stewart recordings as well as internet addresses (which is how I
found you). Second on my list of things to do today is to put in an order.
If you havn't seen the catalogue, you need one!
Now I'm no longer a lurker eh!
Kevin Woodward
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Subj: Re: Lurker no more!
Date: 97-05-01
From: t_mstrin@qualcomm.com (Merle Stringfield)
Welcome aboard Kevin!
That Limelighters album is one of my favorites too. You reminded me of a
story when you mentioned your parent's record cabinet....being a collector
of JS memorabelia, one has to jump in at the beginning, which means you
aren't going to find ALL the albums in one day...one month, well, you get
the drift. I had finished my Trio collection with the exception of "Back in
Town." I just couldn't find it anywhere. One Christmas, we all chipped in,
and got my Mom a new stereo; CD; Cassette, you name it. When I set it up
for her, she wanted it on the "ol record cabinet." As we were listening to
a Willie Nelson CD, I just happened to go thru the old cabinet and you
guessed it....there it was! In stereo, in great condition! A bonus was also
in there, a stereo copy of #16 in near mint condition. Since my Mom
wouldn't take any money for the records, I took her out for dinner. Sorry,
I forgot the Cliff Notes version!!! Merle
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Subj: Untitled
Date: 97-05-02
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
FOR SALE
VEGA "PETE SEEGER" LONG NECK
"5 STRING" BANJO
in good condition
Shub fifth string capo.
Write to me at Angelbravo
for details.
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Subj: Re: New bloodliner, Old Fan
Date: 97-05-02
From: martink@mindspring.com (L. Kent Martin)
>Hi everyone,>Hope we all can say "I Remember America" for a long, long time.
>
>Denny Pezzani (aSt. Louis fan)
>
Belated welcome from a fellow St. Louisan, Denny (sorry but I haven't had a
moment's chance to log on for a day or two).
Great to know there's someone else in our fair town who follows our fellow
... and hey, I've followed him since his KT days in the mid-60's, too, so
don't fret for a second that this "dates" you.
(And by the by, any thoughts on where, if given the chance, you'd recommend
as a venue for a St. Louis concert by John? I want to lobby John's agent
and would like to know what you'd suggest.)
Missouri Bird,
Kent
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Subj: Re: introduction & question
Date: 97-05-02
From: KShep87309@aol.com
Kate Brooks, no such thing as too long a message. Welcome, your e mail was
interesting and I'd love to participate in "common ground." I am on east
coast - Massachusetts, so it's not out of the question. I also was raised
on lots of the musicians you named, such as Hoyt Axton, Kingston Trio, then
later, of course, John Stewart. I learned some kind of version (a do it
myself version) of "Bolinas" back in the seventies - I thing you are correct
that it was on Lonesome Picker.
For future, I am Kate Shepard. Welcome to the fold! KShep87309
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Subj: Re: Lurker/Mail
Date: 97-05-02
From: martink@mindspring.com (L. Kent Martin)
>
>Well this is my coming out day too!
>Now I'm no longer a lurker eh!
>
>Kevin Woodward
>
Welcome aboard, Kevin ... and we have another troubadour on board, too!
Assume you've seen the various missives about the "tribute tape" ... think I
speak for everyone else to remind you that you're invited to contribute to
this communal collection of song.
(I, on the other hand, haven't sung folk since high school and would save
everyone tremendous grief by NOT contributing but instead will wait
patiently for the final product from those of you who CAN carry a proverbial
tuna ... )
And Bluesman, to you I say: Heigh-HO! Absolutely on target in your
perspective. The incredible smorgasboard of chat generated on Bloodlines is,
I think, akin to ambience ... it all adds to the general atmosphere and
overall enjoyment we've come to know in John's music.
I guess, Luke, this is another "me, too," but with all due respect and no
offense intended whatsoever, I would worry that this global "conversation"
wuld suffer from even the smallest restrictions.
To discourage discourse would be a disservice ... and after all, the
unedited free-for-all is what makes the Internet such a dynamic, valuable
communications vehicle for all of us.
Cheers ...
Missouri Bird,
Kent
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Subj: Re: introduction & question
Date: 97-05-02
From: KShep87309@aol.com
Oh, yes - forgot to tell you, in response to that Musak of "Lost Her In The
Sun":
I heard one through Musak of "Midnight Wind." I guess it isn't so strange
that John Stewart has reached even programmers of Musak ... though somewhat
hard to believe. KShep87309
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Subj: Re: Mail...
Date: 97-05-02
From: KShep87309@aol.com
Bluesman - good point. Although I am new * and I think already quoted
several times for a fau paux, or so it would appear by the context and tone
of these repetitions ????* I agree with you that each and every little
message is a treasure, as if from friends I just haven't yet met. I hope I
can be part of it, although I wish I hadn't written anything now about the U2
thing ... don't know who felt it was wrong, but I'll still speak out if I
THINK someone is insulting or not appreciating a person I admire.
As for no communications, I hope that doesn't happen, and you are right, if
too many people discourage it, there could be a lack of exchange - but things
are just fine with me - as long as I don't put my foot in my mouth too many
more times! kShep87309
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Subj: Re: Untitled
Date: 97-05-02
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
John,
I don't know anything about banjos, but I DO hope that you're getting a
"better" one, and not selling because you're not going to play it!!!
Heaven forbid!! <BG>
Nancy
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Subj: Re: Mail...
Date: 97-05-02
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
In a message dated 97-05-02 02:53:12 EDT, you write:
<< but things
are just fine with me - as long as I don't put my foot in my mouth too many
more times! kShep87309 >>
......You are among friends here on Bloodlines.....you can do no
wrong...........we all take our lickin' and keep on tickin'..........BLuesman
out
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Subj: Re: Untitled
Date: 97-05-02
From: Netennis@aol.com
John - I am very interested in this banjo. Please get back to me with
details. Condition, price, etc.
Gordon Kent
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Subj: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-02
From: Loboaw@ix.netcom.com (Steve)
"...but I'll take you to Seattle if you want..."
Well, I just thought I'd chime in and add a note or two to the
songfest. Been seeing a lot of messages about appreciating John's music
from folks who are into folk music and can play a bit themselves. I'm a
bit more along the lines of U. S. Grant ("I know two songs: one's
'Yankee Doodle', the other isn't.") when describing his musical limits.
While a prepubescent alto, I am currently best described as an
environmental danger as a singer (tho I can still identify a song and
singer on just a few notes).
I like his music because it speaks to things which are real, which are
in my life as well, and, for me, that's very important. Great lyrics,
excellent music, outstanding technical skills, and a voice to cut
through the crap, all that is true, but the reflection of life and
meaning is what really sets a resonance in the chord of my life.
I mentioned in a previous post that his "Oldest Living Son" cut close
to the heart for me and my brother Jim, both of us in and out of the
late unpleasantness in Southeast Asia, but John had been speaking of
things I could identify with long before that.
So now I'm working as (among other things) a psychologist in a VA
hospital, and I know all about when the Sierra Tango played Haiphong
(hell, I was there, one very dark and stormy night...but that's a story
for later) and I know a lot about the nightmares in the boys who went
and stayed too long.
The point is, he sings to what it means to live; most especially, to
live as an American, good and bad, and all that _that_ is about. And he
has done so when it wasn't hip to do so (who else do you know who could
get up and do "Cops", especially when he did?). Probably embarrass the
hell out of him to say sao, but there's some courage in his music (and
some fund, sex, drums, and rock and roll, as well, I know, I know-I'm
just alking about one thing) and that's important to me as well.
Sometimes the despair laps around like dark night waters at the edge of
an old dingy, but you can find a light, or make one, and, for me,
Stewart provides a battered but reliable lighthouse.
Take care,
Steve
aka (in a previous life) "Lobo (AW)"
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-02
From: KShep87309@aol.com
Steve aka "lobo" (the wolf?) writes some pretty fair images
himself...KShep87309
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Subj: Re: Venue
Date: 97-05-02
From: folkera@loopback.com (Ian Shaw - Folk Era Records)
Hey Karen,
> I'll try to follow up on your simple solution (perhaps simple for
> you, but not for me). I rather thought that since JS reads
> bloodlines and posts that he, Dave, and others might see a need and
> ask their agent (or whomever) to look into this.
Simple for me, but not for you? Uhm. . . fair enough. Sometimes I
forget that all this biz stuff can seem overwhelming. "How often do
you go out to hear live music, who is it you see, and where do you
go?" is the key question though. Once you answer that, it gets a lot
easier.
Theoretically, the reason Dave & John employ Steve "spitbucket"
Gordon as their agent is so Steve can track down dates. The problem
is that Steve isn't on retainer (meaning doesn't get regular checks)
but just gets paid for the dates he gets - meaning he can spend a lot
of his money to track down a possible which might never work out, and
which he might never get paid for - all of which means he sometimes
may not look as hard as he should, and means any fans that help by
looking for him substantially increase the liklihood that you'll see
John in your neck of the woods anytime soon.
> The fact is I can't bring 100 or 10, but only 2, myself and my
> husband. However, I can suggest a couple of clubs and email
> spitbucket. Perhaps others in Orange County might be willing to help
> me with this? What about it?
Only 2 is all you can ask :>). I don't know much about clubs in LA
(being midwestern born & bred) but I know it can be a tough town to
play, cause there's so much entertainment biz there, and so few
enterianment fans. Actually most of the agents I know pretty well
agree that the 5 toughest markets in the US to do well in are New
York, LA, Chicago, Nashville, & New Orleans casue there's so much
good music in each!
> By the way, who is Steven Gordon and what does he do?
He's John's agent. He finds John work.
Sincerely,
Ian
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Ian Shaw Folk Era Records
Publicity & Promotion 705 South Washington
FolkEra@loopback.com Naperville, IL 60540
ph (630) 637-2303 fx (630) 416-7213
Now on the web! http://www.folkera.com
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Subj: Re: introduction & question
Date: 97-05-02
From: PeterB1103@aol.com
I recently heard John's "Gold" in the United Airlines terminal at LAX, and
"Midnight Wind" at Long's Drugs in Tarzana.
Bloodlines is growing so fast -- concerts are selling out -- Folk Era is
pushing "Rough Sketches" -- John's doing radio interviews -- they're playing
"Midnight Wind" at the drugstore -- could it be that John's music and the
Blue Dream Road are kindred spirits? [Long live Angel Delgadillo.]
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Subj: Untitled
Date: 97-05-02
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Dear bmoore@fastlane.nat,
No it's not the one I played in the Trio.
Do you think I'm crazy?
It's the old style made by Vega.
I got it many years ago.
It goes for $1900.00
They are fairly rare.
Aol couldn't find your carrier so I had to send this
through blood.
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-02
From: cnewton@fyi.net (Christopher Newton)
(clip) > So now I'm working as (among other things) a psychologist in a VA
>hospital, and I know all about when the Sierra Tango played Haiphong
>(hell, I was there, one very dark and stormy night...but that's a story
>for later) and I know a lot about the nightmares in the boys who went
>and stayed too long.
>
...I've often wondered what "Sierra Tango" refers to in the song. What is
it...a band?
Kit Newton
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Subj: Re: Untitled
Date: 97-05-02
From: JScott2194@aol.com
John - You're killing me. I just ordered a new banjo from Deering. If I had
known, I would have talked to you about your old Vega. Bad timing on my
part. (I ordered "Skruggs Tuners" on mine in addition to the 5th string
capo.) All the best. JRS
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Subj: Re: Appreciation
Date: 97-05-02
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
<< Stewart provides a battered but reliable lighthouse. >>
"One brave angel flies at dawn........Keeper of the Flame"
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Subj: Another Introduction
Date: 97-05-02
From: cf104@FreeNet.Buffalo.EDU (Jonathan Coe)
Hello fellow Bloodliners
My name is Jonathan Coe and I signed on a few weeks ago. I haven't had
time to introduce myself until now. I am a librarian and I work in a
college library, which of late has been keeping me very busy. My
introduction to this discussion group came via The Lucky Town digest
which is is a discussion group devoted to Bruce Springsteen. Someone (
I'm sorry I can't remember their name) had posted an item that was
originally posted on this one. It had to do with Johns involvement with
the Pete Seeger tribute CD and the fact that Springsteen (among others) was
also involved. I nearly fell out of my chair at this piece of news
as well as discovering that Bloodlines existed. Its great to be in touch
with fellow admirers of Johns music who feel as I do that his music
deserves a wider audience. Every time I play one of his songs on my guitar
I always get a positive response the same can be said when I play one of
his albums/cd's.
I've been a fan since the Kingston Trio (Thank you Folk era for making
their Decca recordings available. "Children of the Morning" to me is a
great folk/rock classic.) and have been able to keep current thanks to
Homecoming/The Finger mailing list. It has been quite a few years since I
have been able to see John live. I have great memories of shows at the
Boarding house, The Palomino and the Golden Bear in Huntington Beach. One
of my favorite shows was at the Boarding house in the fall of 1975 where
John played Zappata (Which I think John introduced it as a new song). I
also really enjoyed the shows during the Bombs away/Dream Babies period,
John your electric guitar playing was great.
This is getting to be long but I have a query. All the talk about guitar
playing has inspired to get my guitar out and start playing (I haven't
played very much in the past few years). I used to be pretty good at
figuring out songs but I find that I have gotten rusty. Does any one know
the chord structure for "Runaway train?". In regards to hearing Gold over
the muzak I've been hearing Gold, Midnight Wind and Lost her in the Sun
at shopping malls and other public places. Never ceases to bring a smile
to my face.
Michele thank you for your e mail welcome, your web page is great.
Jonathan Coe
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Subj: Re: New bloodliner, Old Fan
Date: 97-05-02
From: oakpath@webtv.net (Dennis Pezzani)
Kent,
I'm not certain what it would take to arrange it (I'm a
pharmacist, not an agent!), but I think the Westport Playhouse would be
slick.
It's big enough, but still intimate enough for a
great show. What do you think? I did see the Trio there several times,
but it was "post John"
John, if you're listening let us know if St. Louis
sounds good to you sometime soon.
Denny Pezzani
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