Bloodlines Mailing List archives January 16-18, 1997
from the John Stewart email list
Drums along the Bloodline continues, more talk of a house concert,
a new intro, Trancas and more... -REB
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Subj: Re: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-16
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
>Okay, John....let's bury the drumstick already. I do kinda like the drums on
>"Boys of Summer" by Don Henley.
>
>Floyd
Floyd, you're missing the point. I don't care if you don't like drum machines
or you do like drum machines. It's just don't like you taking cheap shots at
me about something that's just your oppinion, especially in a Kingston Trio
book that was to be biographical and information. Not a forum for crummy
little jibes.
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Subj: Re: House concert update
Date: 97-01-16
From: Nalfnalf@aol.com
Regarding your house concert, count me in for two tickets. Mid April works
just fine for us. We live in San Jose, so it's not that far to go. As to
the donation - hey, whatever - $20, $50, $100. Let me know.
Nalf
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Subj: Re: John Stewart
Date: 97-01-16
From: M.J.Mooney@Bradford.ac.uk (Mike Mooney)
At 21:21 15/01/97, Roger the Norty Rascal wrote:
>Hello Everyone
>
>I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am one of the few lighthouse
>keepers still left off the coast of Scotland, so I'm on the Net quite
>a lot.
>
Now, *there's* an idea for a song, John! Welcome to Bloodlines Rog -
whereabouts are you?
Mike
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Subj: Re: House concert update
Date: 97-01-16
From: GregDenis@aol.com
Clackclack writes:
<< Let me know what is better for you,
mid-April or sometime in May. Let me know how much you're willing to pony
up. After we get enough responses we'll take it from there. >>
May is better, but I'll certainly revamp my schedule to be there in April.
Two of us, at a minimum of $30 each. I sure hope this works out, and thanks
for your efforts, Ron.
-- Greg Dennis
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Subj: Re: House concert update
Date: 97-01-16
From: ClackClack@aol.com
In a message dated 97-01-15 , Dick wrote:
> I'll be in the Bay Area the weekend of April 11-13. If the house
> concert is then, count me in! You name the price,
Dave Batti advises that there is a tentative show at Passim's on April 11th,
so if shows are booked around that date back east this will put us off till
later in April.
Keep those house reservations coming in. Be sure to say how many you are
bringing if it is more than just you. For those offering to kick in more than
$20 a head, thanks. That should get you front row seats (on the lawn) I'd
guess. I expect this to be an afternoon show outside, weather permitting, by
the way.
Ron
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Subj: Re: John Stewart
Date: 97-01-16
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
Roger wrote:
>
>I'm a new subscriber to this list. I am one of the few lighthouse
>keepers still left off the coast of Scotland, so I'm on the Net quite
>a lot.
Are you serious????? That is probably the coolest thing I've ever heard.
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Subj: Re: Fire in the Wind
Date: 97-01-16
From: tpollan@fc.net (Thomas Pollan)
If anyone has the insert card from a Razor & Tie, mail it in with the
"Fire in the Wind" request, as well as subsequent requests.
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Subj: Re: John Stewart
Date: 97-01-16
From: nortyrascal@enterprise.net (Roger)
> Are you serious????? That is probably the coolest thing I've ever heard.
>
Hi
Yes, I'm serious. It is a great job. No bosses on my back.
Am off to Scandinavia now for 2 weeks. Will catch up with everyone
when I get back.
Roger
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Subj: Re: House concert update
Date: 97-01-16
From: RTFAL@aol.com
Would love to attend but that means a cross crountry trip at an inconvenient
time for me. If it comes off, hope someone makes a tape or whatever for those
of us who can't make it!
Since JS is to appear on the East Cosast, I wonder if there is a sufficient
following of fans to do something similar in the Northeast area? Just a
thought.
Art
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Subj: Re: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-17
From: Frgarrett@aol.com
To John Stewart: book critic
From Floyd Garrett: music critic
Okay. No, you're missing the point, John. Here was a book, The Kingston
Trio On Record, that was pure and simply an act of love: Ben Blake, Jack
Rubeck, Alan Shaw, and my chapter on you. This book was 99.9% a love
offering to you guys. Apparently one line in the book has you upset enough
to make me think somebody crapped in your cornflakes. If that was a crummy
jibe I took at you and was my opinion, what was the other 99.9% of the book?
If anybody out there who has read the book thinks I did a hatchet job on
John, be brave, speak up. The line in question in the book mentions the use
of drum machines and listening to Mr. Buckingham's production habits...or
some such rot. I don't know, John...I haven't read since I wrote it. This
is not like in Amadeus where I'm telling Mozart he's playing too many notes.
Come on now. Lighten up.
Floyd
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Subj: RE: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-17
From: Doctor_Dad@msn.com (Carl Scott)
To: Floyd Garrett, self appointed music critic
From: Carl Scott, ordinary citizen
Floyd I do not have to read your book, your e-mail indites you. You have the
classic symptoms of writer's disease:
1) think that "your shit don't stink"
2) don't care about what impact your writing has on:
a) your subject or
b) your community
3) once you write something you do not proof read it for accuracy and
content.
There is only one known cure for your disease: stop writing.
John,
Thank you for all of your poetry and music. It has inspired countless people
like me to become involved with each other and our country. Please keep it
up.
Semper Fi,
Carl Scott
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Subj: RE: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-17 1
From: Tony.Davies@carfax.co.uk (Tony Davies)
Enough of this, can we please stop all this bickering. I did not think
that this was that kind of forum.
tony davies
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Subj: RE: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-17
From: Doctor_Dad@msn.com (Carl Scott)
Tony,
Happily!
Carl Scott
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Subj: Fire In The Wind CD
Date: 97-01-17
From: tae69@dial.pipex.com (Mark Austin)
I don't have an email but apparently Razor & Tie are on
1 800 443 3555 and at PO Box 585, Cooper Station, NY, 10276.
Mark
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Subj: House Concert
Date: 97-01-17
From: tae69@dial.pipex.com (Mark Austin)
For those of us who can't make it, and those who do, can whoever
is organising this PLEASE make serious negotiations to get it taped.
Its probably going to be a real one off and even if its only a
Bloodlines Subscribers Release Only via some tape tree, it has
to happen!
Mark
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Subj: Fire In The Wind
Date: 97-01-17
From: tae69@dial.pipex.com (Mark Austin)
If anyone in the UK hasn't got this and wants to hear it, contact
me and I'd be glad to tape it for you. You must promise to buy
it on CD as soon as its released though!
Mark
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Subj: Razor & Tie
Date: 97-01-17
From: tae69@dial.pipex.com (Mark Austin)
Razor & Tie have a web page at www.razorandtie.com and an email address
of info@razorandtie.com
Still trying to find Polydor UK!
What John needs is a lottery win so he can buy back all his rights
and then I'm sure he'd look after us properly.
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Subj: Drum machines etc.
Date: 97-01-17
From: M.J.Mooney@Bradford.ac.uk (Mike Mooney)
Well. Without knowing it I seem to have opened some old wounds with my
comments about drum machines - Floyd and John are at it hammer and tongs.
But just to prove every cloud has a silver lining...
I thought a little about this drum machine thing and concluded that there's
nothing wrong with them in themselves. For "Rough Sketches"-type semi-demo
recordings they're just fine. I've used 'em mesself, have one at home (have
to say I *always* refused to use them on gigs, but that's different).
So then I got to thinking about Trancas and why I had a bit a of a downer on
it. Well, I dug it out and played it again, and guess what? I enjoyed it. Up
here in 1997 it sounds pretty good.
I think my original problem was that in 1984 I was seriously worried at the
direction popular music was going in. I'd always considered John's music to
be a beacon of 'reality' against the tide of facile rubbish that seemed to
be dominating popular music. I hadn't heard of him since "DBs go H" - then
along comes Trancas with not a piano or harmonica or pedal steel in sight,
and my heart sinks. Another good man chasing the bandwagon of trendiness - I
thought.
I don't think I even *stopped* to listen to the *songs*. I played it a
couple of times, sighed, and onto the shelf it went. Until now. And, hey, it
doesn't sound so different to Rough Sketches, does it? And I *love* Rough
Sketches.
So. John was right, I was wrong, and I've just discovered a 'new' JS album
that I've had for 13 years!
Just goes to show.
Mike
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Subj: Re: chat/Wingless Angels
Date: 97-01-17
From: Frgarrett@aol.com
Carl,
You don't know what the hell you're talking about. If I wasn''t one of the
worlds biggest John Stewart fans I wouldn't have written a chapter in a book
about him. He has always been my hero. So, butt out if you don't know what
we're talking about.
Cheers,
Floyd
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Subj: john
Date: 97-01-17
From: jwj@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU (jim johnson)
Now boys. Calm down.
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Subj: Re: House Concert
Date: 97-01-17
From: slowcoach@easynet.co.uk (Bob Elliot)
> For those of us who can't make it, and those who do, can whoever
> is organising this PLEASE make serious negotiations to get it taped.
> Its probably going to be a real one off and even if its only a
> Bloodlines Subscribers Release Only via some tape tree, it has
> to happen!
>
>
> Mark
Good idea Mark; this would make a great cassette or CD. I hope it is
recorded.
While on the subject of tapes, Radio Merseyside in UK did a
professional recording of John with Chuck McDermot & Buffy Ford at a
Liverpool gig in 1984. This would also make a great cassette/CD.
I know nothing about the music biz in respect of copyright,
publishing, etc. Who would have the rights to this gig and how would
they release it (ie whose permission is needed)?
Bob Elliot
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Subj: Something About Me
Date: 97-01-17
From: dr_pjenkins@telis.org (Dr. Paul Jenkins)
I'm new to the list. Just a few words about how I got into JS.
I am an elementary principal in Fontana, California (near San Bernardino).
I am 48 and grew up with as a teen with first the Trio, and then followed
John as he went his own unique way. I thought I had all his solo music,
but it appears there are some new things that I need to purchase.
I still play guitar and banjo whenver possible, and the students learn a
little JS as I have opportunities to play in classrooms. My banjo is a
Vega - Pete Seeger long neck model (same as JS used in the Trio) -that I
bought in 1965. I have a variety of electric and acoustic guitars and
mandolins.
A friend, Congressman Dana Rohrabacher from Orange County, wrote a
screenplay for JS, and I wrote a few songs for it. Dana and I got together
with JS in Alexandria, VA after a performance in about '86. Screenplay
didn't sell, but I still have some nice songs. John was a major influence
on my life, and my decision to play folk music has led me to many people
who have become close to me, and since changed my life.
Favorite JS song is, "Mother Country." The song says a lot more about this
country than a lot of politicians could say in a month of speechs.
Take care,
Paul
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Subj: AOL access
Date: 97-01-17
From: GregDenis@aol.com
I need to find out how to access AOL via another Internet provider, as it's
just about impossible to get online these days and I need my daily
CyberStewart dose. This list is the only place I've seen directions on how to
do that, tho i didn't save them at the time.
Could whoever knows how to do this (Nancy?) e-mail me off-list with this
info? Thanks!
-- Greg
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Subj: Re: AOL access
Date: 97-01-17
From: sprest02@sprynet.com (ALLMuse)
GregDenis@aol.com wrote:
>
> I need to find out how to access AOL via another Internet provider, as it's
> just about impossible to get online these days and I need my daily
> CyberStewart dose. This list is the only place I've seen directions on how to
> do that, tho i didn't save them at the time.
>
> Could whoever knows how to do this (Nancy?) e-mail me off-list with this
> info? Thanks!
>
> -- GregHi Greg -
Assuming you already have your other Internet provider....
Go to the SET UP part of your sign on screen
Click on EDIT LOCATION
You'll find the phone numbers you've selected for your access numbers
there.
On the first access number click on the network (it will something like
AOLNET or SPRINTNET or something) and highlight the TCP/IP option
After youve done all this, click on SAVE, and exit out of this back to
the sign on screen.
To sign on, dial up your internet provider. When connected, click on
your AOL icon to bring up the AOL sign on screen. Sign on, put in your
password and instead of Initializing Modem the screen will say
Intitializing TCP/IP...and then will immediately go to Checking Password
and you're in!
Good luck to any and all who are trying to do this.
Steve
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Subj: Re: House Concert
Date: 97-01-17
From: DMotley@aol.com
Clack,
Greetings from the southern half of the Golden State. Please count me in
for two admissions to the house concert. Personally, I would be
embarrassed to give The Big Guy only $20 a head. I will let my conscience
be the guide and certainly will make it worth his time. Save me two front
row seats! Any Saturday afternoon would be most convenient for me and
probably for others who have to travel a long distance, and have to go to
work on Mon. morning. Keep me posted and............ Keep it flyin' ,
DMotley (Mott)
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Subj: Re: House Concert
Date: 97-01-18
From: tpollan@fc.net (Thomas Pollan)
On the subject of taped concerts, the last time John played the Cactus
Cafe in Austin, KUT, the local NPR station, taped the concert for its
"Live at the Cactus" program. It would seem that the tape could be given
to John for possible release on a limited issue to this group. Live at
the Cactus is a great program, but I would really like to see the Big Guy
on Austin City Limits.
Tom
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Subj: Trancas
Date: 97-01-18
From: tpollan@fc.net (Thomas Pollan)
Drum machines. Not my favorite. However, I found Trancas very
enjoyable. The "Rocky Top" version was a hoot. I liked it much more
than many tradition CW versions.
The album remains one of may favorites. (1) Real contrast to "Last
Campaign" and demonstrated the breadth of the artist. (2) The songs.
Reason to Rise is a favorite, as are The American Way and The Chosen.
Great songs, and a different approach. Thank goodness, he does not get
in a rut.
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Subj: Re: House concert update
Date: 97-01-18
From: WardHorde@aol.com
Much as it pains me to say, I can not be at the planned house concert. My
vacation this year will be a trip to Phoenix in May for my niece's
graduation.
If you do another, let me know. The price seems way more than reasonable;
for what amounts to a private show, I'd pay multiples of $20.
Marty
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Subj: What is a drum machine?
Date: 97-01-18
From: lcfoster@sdcoe.k12.ca.us (Laurie (and Bob , Katie and Matt) Foster)
I don't want to reopen any angry notes-there have been too many already
but for those of us who simply enjoy listening to John's music and aren't
very technically sophisticated on just how that wonderful sound is
produced-a simple question. What the heck is a drum machine and what does
it do?
Bob (just listening) Foster
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Subj: Re: What is a drum machine?
Date: 97-01-18
From: jbrassil@maine.com (John Brassil)
Sorry, but this "drum machine" thread is pitiful.
The creative process means trying stuff-- different brand instruments,
different sound makers. Different voices.
It's going to happen. It is happening. It has happened.
Some people will like some of the things, others won't. When someone makes
a pronouncement that "such-and-so is no good" or "this-n-that is all there
is" it's just ego time anyway. The music is what gets made; writing about
the music is more or less an ego-laden attempt to affirm one's own
prejudices by "sharing them" with an audience. The audience accepts your
views as authoritative? Great, you've got an audience for your writing. The
audience thinks you're wrong? Few will keep reading.
If someone doesn't like the music, he or she can listen to something else.
If someone doesn't like the writing, he or she can read something else.
Of course, if I'm the artist, I have a right to be pissed when someone
slams my effort or my attempts to try things.
Sometimes "the machines" sound OK, sometimes they don't work so well. but
that's true of guitars, voices, you name it.
Loosen up or strangle.
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Subj: John Stewart Comedian?
Date: 97-01-18
From: sprest02@sprynet.com (ALLMuse)
Hi gang -
You're never going to believe this. I was visiting a mall music store in
Macon (GA) today...I think it was Blockbuster. I was checking for some
comedy cds when who should I find filed under comedy but John Stewart!
The cd in question was the Retrospective cd. And it had a John Stewart
artist card there so it wasn't just a misfiled cd!
I brought this to the attention of one of the teen dreams that were
manning the checkout counter, insisting that Mr. Stewart would be more
appropriately filed under either Folk or Rock. After a blank stare from
the clerk I tried to explain that John was a musician, not a comedian
(although he does handle that role very well in his between song stories
and jokes during concerts from the Trio days on through the latest
concerts!)
So, if you need a copy of that cd in Macon...look under comedy. Next
thing you know we'll be finding George Carlin in the easy listening
section!
Steve
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Subj: Re: What is a drum machine?
Date: 97-01-18
From: battery@teleport.com (Battery Express!)
John (just listening), if you still need an answer to your question, a
drum machine synthesises the sounds of drums the same way a keyboard
synthesises other instrument sounds.
They are used in studio work sometimes along with real drums and used by
solo artists to add rhythm to their performance. I agree with everything
said by John Brassil and will add that I welcome all instruments,
acoustic and electronc. Some acoustic purists will argue that keyboards
and drum machines can't repace the sounds of the real thing. They don't,
but they create new and unique sounds in their own right previously
unavailable to us. They allow a lot of creativity to happen. Personally
I have always loved the Trancas album and was happy to see it come out on
CD when it did. It inspired my interest in blending acoustic and
electronic sounds together. And isn't Johns continual growth and
exploration of new musical idea's (I especially enjoyed his work with
digital delay on the Punch the Big Guy album) one of the many reasons we
all enjoy his music so much?
Mike
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Subj: Re: What is a drum machine?
Date: 97-01-18
From: lcfoster@sdcoe.k12.ca.us (Laurie (and Bob , Katie and Matt) Foster)
Mike-thanks for the explanation. I'd sort of guessed that's what it meant
but wasn't sure.
Bob (just listening) Foster
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