Bloodlines Mailing List archives May 21-23, 1997
from the John Stewart email list
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bloodlines-digest Friday, May 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 003
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Steve <Loboaw@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Bootlegs...some ruminations
One of my previous day jobs was that of historian, and it still is my
first love. A big chunk of all that was trying to figure out how things
got the way they are. Part of my training was to go after "original
source" documents and oral histories of participants, rather than just
going over somebody's impression of what went on and whatever the final
result was. Naturally, the itch to know how Angel Bravo's music got the
way it did is there.
But...
But I'm not a music historian and I'm not researching John Stewart. If
I was (on both counts), the first thing to do would be to go to the
source and ask him for an interview or seven and any copies of outtakes,
practice sessions, etc., all of which I would study and analyze and
write-up in a paper which would go into some journal or other.
What I am is someone in the crowd who likes the man's music. I respect
what he does, what he produces. So when he makes a request that I not
bootleg his tapes, then I'll honor that request (hell, he doesn't have
to ask - never been that much of a thief, and, for me [and I'm ONLY
talking about me], taking such a tape of any artist is stealing; just
how I was raised, I guess). No moral superiority here, btw, different
strokes for different folks. And before someone asks, yes, I've been
given (never bought any) duplicated tapes from other folks of artists
they've liked-if I liked what I heard, I went out and got the album. If
I didn't, the tape got recycled.
The thing is, whatever one's POV re: bootleg tapes, it seems to me it's
up to the artist, one's own morality to one side. And like I said, since
the man has asked that it not happen, I figure the request is pretty
reasonable.
(But if sometime A-B decides to open the vaults and asks for someone to
come in and take a look with a view towards writing up the history of
his work and evolution as an artist, I'll be jumping into that line!
[Tho, I have to admit, it would probably be better done by some
Bloodliner with a grad degree in music history rather than American
foreign policy, 1860 to the present...<sigh>]<G>)
Lead's off, switches safe.
Take care,
Steve
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: "Ian Shaw - Folk Era Records" <folkera@loopback.com>
Subject: Ordering priorities
> This raises the question--Do we do more for Angelbravo and the cause
> by buying from Homecoming and Folk Era or by flooding the Towers and
> the Virgins with orders? John, what's your preference?
I've yet to find a real good answer for this - so here's the facts as
I see them:
John gets the most $ when you buy from him at shows or through
Homecoming. Folk Era gets the most when you buy direct from us
(through the Rediscover Catalogue or our web-page). John gets a
royalty on what we sell to anybody but him. We make the same whether
you buy from John or a store.
If you bug the store about wanting to buy Stewart stuff from them,
they're more likely to stock it, so other people can find it (which
is good). We don't subcribe to soundscan, so we can't take sales
data from a store and use it to bolster airplay (as the larger
label's do, so that isn't an issue for us).
Folk Era's stuff is available to ANY store in the US or Canada. It's
up to the store whether or not they stock it (though we try to
encourage stores to stock our releases.) People requesting an artist
is about the best encouragement there is. Also - when the stuff
sells through a store, our distributors see that, and nothing
encourages them to try harder to sell an album than the album
selling.
When you buy from a store - ESPECIALLY a smaller "Mom and Pop" type
store that carries lots of indie labels (as opposed to a chain like
Best Buy) you're supporting not just John & Folk Era, but all the
indie labels and artists like John & Folk Era cause the small indie
stores are the places you're most likely to FIND artists like John &
labels like Folk Era.
So there's what I know - I would say "let your conscience be your
guide." Even though I can often times get CD's cheaper from Best Buy
than by ordering them through Rediscover Music, I try to always order
them through Rediscover cause I manage to support my paycheck that
way.
Thanks for askin!
Sincerely,
Ian
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Ian Shaw Folk Era Records
Publicity & Promotion 705 South Washington
FolkEra@loopback.com Naperville, IL 60540
ph (630) 637-2303 fx (630) 416-7213
Now on the web! http://www.folkera.com
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: PBronson1@aol.com
Subject: Re: one more on bootlegs...
One evening in 1971, I stuck a Memorex cassette in a portable am-fm-tape
recorder about 8 by 10 inches in size (anyone remember those?) and recorded
John Stewart at the Troubadour, a live broadcast on long-gone KDAY in L.A.
"Lonesome Picker" was the new album; Arnie Moore was in the band. I was a
college senior. The tape quality is pretty up-and-walking-good given the
date and the equipment; KDAY wasn't a clear-channel station, and there are
faint signals from a Mexican station in the background.
I play this treasure in my car, whenever I need to reach back across the
bridge of years and be a student in 1971, listening to a John Stewart concert
on the radio, for just a little while. With the Mexican music
surrealistically fading in and out, listening to this tape is not so much a
trip through history as a trip through the mystic--there, floating through
the web of time and memory (coming back home from the stars?), is John
Stewart, and it IS 1971, and I am 21, and John Stewart is 31, just for an
hour.
I've never made copies of my tape for anyone, and given John's sentiments I
will not do so. But I do hope John understands that some of these old or
weird recordings floating around the planet do have a transcendent quality
and great sentimental value. Given the ferocious loyalty of your typical
Stewartista, it's only natural to want to share the magic.
I'd be happy to post the KDAY playlist if anyone's interested.
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Subject: Re: PRIORITY: Explanation and Apology
[This message may have contained graphics created by a Magic Cap device on
America Online.]
Don't give it a second thought.
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: one more on bootlegs...
PBronson1@aol.com writes
>
>I play this treasure in my car, whenever I need to reach back across the
>bridge of years and be a student in 1971, listening to a John Stewart concert
>on the radio, for just a little while. With the Mexican music
>surrealistically fading in and out, listening to this tape is not so much a
>trip through history as a trip through the mystic--there, floating through
>the web of time and memory (coming back home from the stars?), is John
>Stewart, and it IS 1971, and I am 21, and John Stewart is 31, just for an
>hour.
>
>
Yeah..This sums it all up for me!! It IS a trip into the mystic..its
1969 and I am deeply in love and "Holly on my mind " and Santa Barbara"
are even now playing in my car as I drive around in 1997!!
Thanks John!! And thanks for "The Road"!!
"The road goes on forever" JRR Tolkien!!
Rod.
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R.Geddes
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Terry Tillman <TTillman@compuserve.com>
Subject: Ordering priorities
>People requesting an artist is about the best encouragement there is.
>Also - when the stuff sells through a store, our distributors see that,
>and nothing encourages them to try harder to sell an album than the >album
selling.
For what it's worth, an author friend of mine, Peter McWilliams, got two
books to the number one spot on the best seller list by organizing a
coamaign to call book stores. He hired phone callers who spent all day for
a couple months on the phones calling bookstore buyers. They'd tell the
stores about upcoming TV appearances, relevent news about the book (like
how well it was selling somewhere), or just ask if they had the book in
stock and if they'd like to order it if they didn't. Peter figured that it
took something like only 10,000 sales a week to get on the best seller
list. There are about 5,500 book stores in the U.S, so that's only an
average of two books per store. Once the book is on the best seller list,
stores begin ordering more and displaying the book more prominently. Then
it begins selling.
I used a scaled down version of this approach to sell 50,000 copies of a
book I self-published.
Perhaps this type of approach would also work for John's CD's. I don't know
how many folks are on the Bloodlines list but I bet you could get a good
percentage of them to call some stores in their area. I'm not looking for
more work, so this isn't me volunteering, just throwing out an idea.
Terry T.
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: ALLMuse <sprest02@sprynet.com>
Subject: Boots etc
Hi Friends
Just thought I'd chime in with a word or two about boots. I have
distinct opinions on different types of activities here.
The live concert -
These I have no problem with, especially if you are the one doing the
taping for your own private use or for trading purposes with friends.
However, once money changes hands, thats a no no. I noted that
Angelbravo said he doesn't mind the live concert taping, much like the
Grateful Dead and other groups have said through the years. My theory
is...I paid for the experience...I would love a souvenier which I can
remember this show years from now...preserve that special song or that
funny monolog...But, it stops there. I would never imagine I would be
allowed to sell that recording to anyone.
The demos -
This is a horse of a different color. Demo tapes that have never been
released by an artist are not the public's business. If an artist
eventually decides to share them with us historically, GREAT (ala the
Beatles, Dylan, Beach Boys and many others whose box sets open the
vaults for the rabid fans out there). Don't get me wrong, I would
treasure an opportunity to hear unreleased material, but it doesn't
belong to the public...was never offered to the public (like a concert
was) and was never intended to be such. That is the artists right...and
to sell unauthorized tapes is to deprive the artist of his earnings!
Out of print material
If a friend asks me to make a copy of a song, the only way I will do it
is if it is not in print and available for sale. If a tv show or record
is unavailble to the public BUT ONCE WAS, then I don't have a problem
with making a copy for someone to enjoy UNTIL IT GETS RE-RELEASED! Many
friends of mine have gone on to purchase JS cd's after hearing my
crackly albums on tape...I'd like to think by spreading the music this
way I actually helped in cd sales.
Those are just my thoughts...no flaming please!
Steve
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: "Bob Elliot" <slowcoach@easynet.co.uk>
Subject: Bottlegs, bootlegs, bootlegs, bootlegs & more bootlegs
Hi
Only kidding.
Now that I've got you attention this is just a note to let you know
that Omaha Rainbow Issue 15 is now online.
Bob Elliot
==
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk./~slowcoach/basement/bobs.html
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: ddunet@concentric.net (Michelle Stevens)
Subject: Re: Ordering priorities
(snip)
>Perhaps this type of approach would also work for John's CD's. I don't know
>how many folks are on the Bloodlines list but I bet you could get a good
>percentage of them to call some stores in their area. I'm not looking for
>more work, so this isn't me volunteering, just throwing out an idea.
(snip)
About 150 at last count. 151 if Ann Godwin counts ;-)
Michelle Luce Stevens
http://www.concentric.net/~Ddunet/ (John Stewart Home Pages)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Angelbravo@aol.com
Subject: Re: Boots etc
well said Steve, to me it makes perfect sense.
Bravo
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
Subject: Re: Boots etc
<< Just thought I'd chime in with a word or two about boots. I have
distinct opinions on different types of activities here. >>
Have we not beat this horse enough?.........I hear her crying
"Uncle"........Bluesman out
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: "L. Kent Martin" <martink@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: one more on bootlegs...
>One evening in 1971, I stuck a Memorex cassette in a portable am-fm-tape
>recorder about 8 by 10 inches in size (anyone remember those?) and recorded
>John Stewart at the Troubadour, a live broadcast on long-gone KDAY in L.A.
< ... >
>I'd be happy to post the KDAY playlist if anyone's interested.
'71 must have been a great year for such things. That's when I caught
John's concert at a long-gone-but-warmly-remembered coffeehouse in Kansas
City called the Vanguard ... interviewed John beforehand for my school paper
and then taped his concert that followed.
Like you, that tape has never played to anyone else but me but the memories
it carries are irreplacable. Thanks for summing up my thoughts, too.
And too, if anyone's interested in the playlist ... or some of John's
comments from that interview (what "Signals ... " was like to record, how he
viewed his music at the time in comparison with James Taylor, etc.) ... I'd
be happy to post that.
Missouri Bird,
Kent
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997
From: Nancy Talbott <cockatoo@bslnet.com>
Subject: Re: Boots etc
Blusey, Blusey, BLUSEY! <BG> How come you ALWAYS know exactly what I'm
thinkin'???? <BG> RIGHT on! Let's move on to sumpin else. :)))))
Thanks,
Nanc
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: Ordering priorities
>(snip)
>>Perhaps this type of approach would also work for John's CD's. I don't know
>>how many folks are on the Bloodlines list but I bet you could get a good
>>percentage of them to call some stores in their area. I'm not looking for
>>more work, so this isn't me volunteering, just throwing out an idea.
>(snip)
>
There is nothing new under the sun..."Revd Mr. Black" on p. eighty six
of "Kingston Trio on Record"!!
And yes, it does work.
Rod.
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R.Geddes
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
Subject: Re: wingless angel
>when i saw john at cafe lena in saratoga,ny a few weeks ago,the words he
>sang on the song "wingless angel"were a bit different from the recording.
>would anyone out there know the new version?thank you so much.
I was at the Cafe Lena show, too. I didn't get much (being transfixed and
all), but did manage to jot down a few lines. These days Wingless Angels
"guard the halls of Ireland", "walk the streets of East LA", and "are
around us here today". Maybe the most interesting change I heard was "It's
*not* such a long way home" / then, "we are day, we are night; we are drawn
to the distant light."
It's a dicey thing to tinker with a masterpiece, but I enjoyed this version
every bit as much as the classic version. I'm assuming/hoping we'll all get
to hear this on the upcoming Darwin's Army "Angels" CD?
del
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: wingless angel
Del Lausa <delausa@mailbox.syr.edu> writes
>
>It's a dicey thing to tinker with a masterpiece, but I enjoyed this version
>every bit as much as the classic version. I'm assuming/hoping we'll all get
>to hear this on the upcoming Darwin's Army "Angels" CD?
>
>del
>
>>
I don't know about "tinkering with a masterpiece" being dicey, it
really added to "California Bloodlines" ("Did you ever wonder" etc.
verse)
While I'm on, does anyone know where I can get replacement CDs for
damaged "Tune up" & "Treasure Chest" by K.T. ? Any good second hand
record/CD stores or better still, new copies.
Rod.
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R.Geddes
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: ddunet@concentric.net (Michelle Stevens)
Subject: Complete Discography
A while back someone was fixin' to do a complete discography of John's
work. I just got a message from a web site visitor who would like one. Does
anyone have one?
Michelle Luce Stevens
http://www.concentric.net/~Ddunet/ (John Stewart Home Pages)
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: delausa@mailbox.syr.edu (Del Lausa)
Subject: Re: Ordering priorities
I order from Homecoming or Folk Era, or buy at shows, but i also call or
email all the local Borders, Media Plays, etc. I recently found a folk fan
at Media Play who is responsible for stocking all the CD's. She hadn't been
aware of Rough Sketches at all until i emailed her. Her response was a
promise to stock it and an "I think *I'll* buy it." So contacting the
stores with a good review sure doesn't hurt.
del
Terry wrote:
>Perhaps this type of approach would also work for John's CD's. I don't know
>how many folks are on the Bloodlines list but I bet you could get a good
>percentage of them to call some stores in their area. I'm not looking for
>more work, so this isn't me volunteering, just throwing out an idea.
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: Merle Stringfield <t_mstrin@qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: wingless angel
>
>While I'm on, does anyone know where I can get replacement CDs for
>damaged "Tune up" & "Treasure Chest" by K.T. ? Any good second hand
>record/CD stores or better still, new copies.
>Rod.
Hi Rod,
E-mail Rediscover Music at http://www.folkera.com They carry the whole deal!!
Merle
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: wingless angel
Thanks..will try.
Rod
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R.Geddes
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997
From: DMotley@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chat
Was there a chat this month ( it would have been on Tues. May 6), or did I
miss it? Will there be one next month, presumably on Tues. June 3 ?
Does anyone know?
Keep it flyin' ,
Mott
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: ddunet@concentric.net (Michelle Stevens)
Subject: Why are we here?
Bloodliners and/or Stewartistas:
After viewing the interesting posts over the last few weeks, as well as
establishing the digest version (just in time for the traffic to drop WAY
off) I have been ruminating on the purpose and path of this list and the
intent of it's members.
We are gathered together here in front of our computers to dialogue and
discuss the music of John Stewart. But what does that actually mean to each
of you? Why are you here? What do you gain from being a part of this group?
Do you mostly lurk? Why do you lurk and not post? (I guess we won't get
answers from those of you for whom this is true, but I encourage the
lurkers to post).
Have you found this medium to be a free flow of ideas? Do you feel
comfortable expressing your opinions, especially if they won't be met with
agreement from the more prolific posters? What does IMHO mean to you and
should it need to be stated? Do you belong to any other mailing lists that
have more focus? How is that focus expressed? Should we have more focus,
less focus, no focus?
What are the advantages of this list over a list-serve (the aol folder)? Is
there anything you'd like to change about this list, or it's focus? I'd
appreciate this being a list-wide discussion, but if you have thoughts
that you'd like to go out to the list anonymously you may post them to me
and I will forward them, but you have to tell why you wanted it posted
anonymously.
We have lost some members recently for many various reasons (and some for
reasons that I can't get them to state) But that's not the reason I'm
asking these quesitons. I used to think that the number of people on the
list was some how linked to it's success, but that's not necessarily true.
I understand the sentiment "we're here, join us if you want, but don't make
us change" that some have expressed, and I'd like a little more
clarification on just what we (think we) are.
If you're new to the group, you can give us a little intro if you wish, but
you don't have to. I'm looking forward to the discussion! I hope you all
contribute.
Michelle, who has to go get way more book boxes than the moving company
estimated
(T minus 8 days)
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http://www.concentric.net/~Ddunet/ (John Stewart Home Pages)
Data Descriptives Unlimited
Centreville, Virginia
http://www.concentric.net/~Ddunet/ddu/ (Data Descriptives Unlimited)
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: RGodwin495@aol.com
Subject: Re: wingless angel. . .followup
<<
Hi Rod,
E-mail Rediscover Music at http://www.folkera.com They carry the whole
deal!!
Merle >>
Rod, Merle. . .
Don't mean to get technical, but. . .
..the above is actually Folk Era's web address. You *can* email via their
URL by scrolling about half way down their home page, and clicking on their
email link.
Easier and faster way, of course, is their email address:
** FolkEra@loopback.com ***
or call them at ** 630/637-2303 ****
Just a helpful hint. . . Rickster
(p.s. now does *this* sound like a 10-year-old's writing??!!
(...just a touch of humor on D-Day plus 2!)
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:41:24 +0100
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: wingless angel. . .followup
Thanks, got it.
Rod.
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R.Geddes
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Lordfrench@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some days you CAN win
Say hey...
Haven't posted in a while, but felt compelled to respond to a few items:
1) The original Phoenix Concerts cover is an actual tintype shot in Civil
War regalia at a goofball photo lab in, of all places, East Lansing,
Michigan. The third guy, with JS and Arnie Moore, is Jumpin' Jonny Douglas.
The photo was the real deal--with the guys having to hold their pose for
about five seconds, the flash powder, etc. John saw the Civil War photos
advertised from the highway, and the band went to be shot on a Saturday
afternoon, minus pedal steeler Dan Dugmore, a great guy and primo musician
who spent every single minute he wasn't onstage talking to his wife on the
phone. It was the fall of 1973, the "Big Horse" tour, and two tintypes were
made because somebody who will remain unnamed--Arnie--moved his eyes during
the first.
2. Noticed the excitement about U-2 using "Daydream Believer" on their
current tour. There is no doubt that U-2 is one of the great groups of this
era, breakthrough artists of our time, and I believe that you could take
every album they have recorded, and add their studio and songwriting artistry
to every live concert they have ever performed, compiling a monstrous legacy
of accomplishment and success, and the sum of it all wouldn't fill the small
hole of any John Stewart album or CD.
3. Finally, the "Weird...you are weird...you are really weird...Crazy...you
are crazy...you are really crazy..." memo from the ten-year old. Is her name
Ann Godwin? (Don't have it in front of me.) It reminds me of when we sent
the Explorer satellite out into the universe, hoping to contact other worlds,
sending them descriptions of ourselves and our culture, including recordings
of a cross-section of earthly music, from Beethoven to "Roll Over,
Beethoven." The classic line, delivered by Dan Ackryod on SNL, was that a
distant civilization had responded to the satellite, and sent back this
simple four-word message: "Send More Chuch Berry."
Send more Ann Godwin.
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: GeoScher@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why are we here?
I hope this didn't get posted twice. I'm still a novice at times.
In a message dated 97-05-23 04:52:56 EDT, you write:
<< Why are you here? What do you gain from being a part of this group?
Do you mostly lurk? Why do you lurk and not post? >>
1. I have been mostly a lurker since shortly after joining the group in
March, but I have greatly enjoyed observing the conversations, discussions
and arguments that have ensued over that period. Part of the reason I have
contributed as little as I have, is because my knowledge of John's music
since Bombs Away Dream Babies is almost no-exsistent. I still haven't begun
trying to catch up on the new stuff and can't seem to decide whether to start
where I left off and work forward, or start with Rough Sketches and work
backwards. (This was a subject that many Bloodliners gave me some opinions
on when I first joined the group.)
Anyway, not to go on forever, I have enjoyed the lurking and eventually
hope to become a bigger participant in the group. I almost dropped out
myself during the debate over Dr de Lavoris or whatever, simply because I was
getting too much e-mail to be able to read it all carefully. I may still
move to the disgest form, but I've really liked getting to know so many of
you from a distance that I would hate to do that.
Still, I love the list and have grown to love many of it's members and I
have been inspired to discover John's new music because of the passion so
many of you have for it.
Later, I'll respond to some of the other questions you asked in the
post, but for now I just want to say that you Michelle, do a great job
running this thing and my Stetson, (if I still wore one) is off to you. It's
great that you've provided a meeting place for so many wingless angels . . .
Later,
George
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: "David J. Detmer" <detmer@calumet.purdue.edu>
Subject: Neon video
Dear Bloodliners,
There have been a few posts in which "Neon Video" and "Neon Video II" have
been mentioned. I am unfamiliar with these videos. I would be most grateful
if someone would explain what they are and how they might be obtained.
Secondly, according to the chapter on John Stewart in The Kingston Trio on
Record (book), a studio version of "Wheatfield Lady" was recorded and
released at about the same time as The Phoenix Concerts album, which
contained a live version of that song. So far as I know, the studio version
has not been included on any subsequent CD or tape. Does anyone know how a
person might acquire a copy of this recording (without violating any of the
legal or ethical principles which have been so extensively discussed of
late)?
Thanks very much.
Sincerely,
David Detmer
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Steve <Loboaw@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Some days you CAN win
It was, of course, Voyager which had the gold plated disk with the
music on it, not Explorer. You will note the heavy, antiStewart bias of
NASA (for all you conspiracy buffs out there) in that there was nothing
from John on the disk...coincidence? I don't think so...<g>
Take care,
Steve
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Steve <Loboaw@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Why are we here?
Why are we here? Well, no place else would let me in...
Just kidding, of course (I hope!).
Perhaps trying to define things too closely is counterproductive; a
general focus on John Stewart serves to pull us all together but there's
a lot of room for parabolas of varying shapes. The thing is, it's about
Angel Bravo, but he's not about one thing. As near as I can tell from my
contacts with him, he: sings, writes songs, writes prose, teaches
creativity, gets pissed off, laughs, delights in others' creativity,
believes in some things passionately, types poorly, is gratious with
children who send wierd email (and some adults, as well) and a bunch of
other stuff (don't want to get too personal or analytical-have to start
charging by the hour...). There's a certain amount of eclectic
creativity around him and maybe this list will reflect that.
Which might be fine, and even fun. A simple fan list would get dull
(yes, yes, the greatest living... Yeah, right, so what else is new?) but
getting too far out on the orbit will result in breakaway escape
velocity, so maybe Michelle can pull us back in (gently) when we begin
to get too far out of bounds.
Or, "Let it run, lemme see the big list run!" (Ouch! Sorry, sorry,
Angel Bravo, it is one of my favorites, tears to the eyes and all, but
it is Friday, and after a week of working for Uncle for too little
against odds that are too much, I tend to get a little goofy...)
Lobo (AW)
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: "David L. Taylor" <davidltaylor5@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Bloodliners survey
Wow, Michelle, 8 days until you move and you are still trying to
upgrade/improve the Bloodliners list. You are incredible.
I joined this group because I am a fan of John's music and thought it would
be fun to exchange musical thoughts with like minded people. That sounds
like a Personals ad. I especially like the fact that John participates and
provides some REAL insights about his music (e.g., background on names,
places, etc.). I don't read all messages and don't respond to all
discussions. I like the freedom to lurk when I want and respond when I
want. I have gained some internet friends with whom I correspond outside
this list.
I enjoy the list the way it is. The only focus I need is to stay focused
on JS's music and related artists and music. I prefer not to get into
discussions outside JS concerts, music, etc. (I believe that was painfully
clear during the "Dr. de Lavoris" (Thanks for that one George) flap).
However, if others want to get into other topics I can choose not to
participate.
This is my first and only experience with a list-serve. What's an IMHO?
Is that a sour cream substitute?
Finally, thank you Michelle for your patience and hard work in keeping this
site operating. Best wishes to all Bloodliners for a safe and restful
Memorial Day weekend. I hope you will remember those whom we honor on this
weekend.
Semper fi,
David
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: "David L. Taylor" <davidltaylor5@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Some days you CAN win
Steve,
I thought it was Vger? That's what Capt. Kirk and Mr. Spock said.
David
>
> It was, of course, Voyager which had the gold plated disk with the
> music on it, not Explorer. You will note the heavy, antiStewart bias of
> NASA (for all you conspiracy buffs out there) in that there was nothing
> from John on the disk...coincidence? I don't think so...<g>
>
> Take care,
> Steve
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Paul4500@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some days you CAN win
If the "Big Horse" tour was in 1973, that means 1998 will be the 25th
anniversary of the Phoenix Concerts. Is it premature to suggest that would
make for a great "reunion" CD/video in 1998? Homecoming and Folk Era, do you
copy?
- ----
My take on the current state of Bloodlines: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Paul
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: "R.Geddes" <geddes@mcb.net>
Subject: Re: Neon video
>
>Secondly, according to the chapter on John Stewart in The Kingston Trio on
>Record (book), a studio version of "Wheatfield Lady" was recorded and
>released at about the same time as The Phoenix Concerts album, which
>contained a live version of that song. So far as I know, the studio version
>has not been included on any subsequent CD or tape. Does anyone know how a
>person might acquire a copy of this recording (without violating any of the
>legal or ethical principles which have been so extensively discussed of
>late)?
>
>Thanks very much.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>David Detmer
It is on the UK RCA compilation album "Forgotten Songs of Some Old
Yesterday", which also contains "Rodeo Mary", an outtake of "Wingless
Angels". As for getting it, I do not Know in the US, it is pretty old.
Rod.
- --
R.Geddes
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Netennis@aol.com
Subject: Re: Neon video
The videos are available from John at his website. Wheatfield Lady (studio
version) was released as a single and also appears on a UK release called
Forgotten Songs of Some Old Yesterday. Neither are readily available.
Someplace I remember another recent release, but can't put my finger on it.
Gordon Kent
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: PBronson1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Neon video
Rod--I have looked for "Forgotten Songs" in secondhand record shops in London
(my wife, mistakenly thinking there were more important things to look for or
at in London, has been very patient with me), but always without success. Do
you know if it's in print or if there's any way to find/purchase a copy?
Regards--Peter (Note: The member formerly known as PeterB1103)
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Date: Fri, 23 May 1997
From: Pjhayesofc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wonderin' (No JS Content)
In a message dated 97-05-20 00:24:54 EDT, you write:
<< My oh my ... a Harry Chapin reference. <snip> Interesting to think about
these two, after all these years. Anyone else with thoughts here? >>
Back in '73 John and Harry Chapin were almost my exclusive turntable
rotation. I listened to "Sniper" constantly (I was a twisted child). This was
back when I was young enough to also enjoy seeing Harry's brother Steve (?)
on a regular basis on Saturday morning TV - what was that quickie little
educational sing along between-shows show he did?
Cheers
Pink Poodle
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