Bloodlines Mailing List archives April 8, 1997
from the John Stewart email list
More McCabe's raves, new song info, The Finger, upcoming Capitola,
and the Last Hurrah -REB
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Subj: Re: INTRODUCTION
Date: 97-04-08
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
At 10:07 AM 4/7/97 -0700, alleycat@cruzio.com wrote:
>Nancy, I'm guessing you have a bunch of
>cocatoos with assorted Stewart names.
>
>And so ends my introduction. I'm pleased to be in your company.
>Michelle, thanks for bringing us together.
>
>
> Catherine
Sadly, that's not the case...I don't even have the ONE I used to have...he
went with my soon to be ex husband.....and I miss him....(the BIRD)
But I DO have a very persnickity cat named MIRANDA! <grin>
Nanc
"Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit
salvation?
"...Do not forget to entertain strangers, for by so doing some people have
entertained angels without knowing it..." ~ Hebrews 1:14; 13:2
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Subj: Welcome
Date: 97-04-08
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Thanks to Roy and Kent for the welcome. Roy and friends, have fun at the
show in Boston. Kent, have you ever seen him live? We surely hope so.
And The Finger - now, what is that publishing schedule again???
Alex and Catherine
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Subj: Vicarious Pleasure
Date: 97-04-08
From: lnhfbo@polaristel.net (Luke N. Havumaki)
Thanks to Merle et. al.,
From a 'liner who has not been fortunate to see John "live" I really
envy but appreciate these great reports. There is a group called The
Bobs (one of my favorites - accapella) who performed in Faribault this
past year. I talked with Joe Bob after the show and he thought that the
"net aspect of shairng of concert patter and set lists was a little of a
pain. He felt that some of the freshness was lost when you can find out
what was played the night before and then make a pretty good guess to
what you are going to hear that night...I think part of what makes
concert going so enjoyable is to in addition to hearing your favorite
hits - there are those gems that you've overlooked, plus trying to figure
out what songs should have been played...etc. Thanks for the feel of
sitting in the crowd, guys. I just got Rough Sketches and Bandera CDs
today. John has now passed the Beatles as a group for number of CDs in
our house..21 (22 or 23 if we count KT). Can't tell you how much fun
(wait a minute....You people are "Stewartistas"!!!) You know how much fun
it is to hear new stuff by John!
Luke
There is a train and it runs by my room
And the train is called reality and it's coming way too soon.-John Stewart
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
At 04:12 PM 4/7/97 -0400, DMotley@aol.com wrote:
I also got a chance to
>say hi to Peter Yarrow, and Paul Stookey who were also in the audience.
>
>Can't wait till next time! Keep it flyin' , MOTT
>
Cockatoo <-------------- THUD (hitting the floor)
Mott, you say this as a sort of AFTERTHOUGHT???????? Yarrow and STOOKEY?
Sheesh, second ONLY to John, these are two of the great folk singers....I
would have DIED to meet them! What a treat!!!!!
Nanc
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Subj: Re: KT Influence
Date: 97-04-08
From: WardHorde@aol.com
I apologize for being so far behind on this thread, but this is the first
time I've been on line in about a month and I wanted to add my two cents.
While the KT and the Mitchell Trio and PP&M were popular with mostly "white
bread" songs, as someone called them, it is important, at least for me, to
remember that "protest" songs have always been a part of the folk music
tradition. Woody Guthrie, for example, who is a sort of benchmark for folk
songwriters, wrote dozens of songs that would be considered "protest" by any
definition. "Deportees" is as poignant today as when it was written. (For
some of the younger members in the group, this is a very moving song about
illegal aliens being deported back to Mexico and their plane crashing).
However, I've never actually liked the term "protest" for these songs. To
me these songs were merely songs that pointed out a reality that I may not
have known since I did not live in the place in which the song occurred.
Growing up in Kansas, for example, illegal aliens were not an issue that we
were confronted with on a daily basis. Confrontations between miners and
mine owners were also not something that I would have been exposed to except
in history books. But the songs spoke to me in a way that a book taught in
class could not...it seemed more real to me.
It is not surprising that when we think back on our favorite songs, they tend
to be pleasant songs, or humorous songs, or love songs. And "protest" songs
often have short shelf lifes since they are often about a specific event that
dates them immediately, or which is ultimately corrected. However, the best
ones are timeless and reverberate in the mind forever...who can ever forget
"Blowin' In The Wind", for example. The folk tradition is rich in these
songs. And I guarantee always will be.
Marty
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Subj: Re: KT Influence
Date: 97-04-08
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
At 12:50 AM 4/8/97 -0400, WardHorde@aol.com wrote:
>I apologize for being so far behind on this thread, but this is the first
>time I've been on line in about a month and I wanted to add my two cents.
>
a MONTH????????????????? I wonder what your mailbox looked like!! And HOW
on earth could you STAND the withdrawel?? <grin>
When I was in Missouri in January...7 days....I came home to 127
emails!!!!!!!!!!
Most were from here, but not all....wonder what a whole entire month would
YIELD!
Nanc
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Subj: Re: McCabe's
Date: 97-04-08
From: donfish@sttl.uswest.net (D&L Ruiz/Peeveyroo)
Ouch. Though a folk fan, I'm not a good enough soul to be able to listen
to all these McCabe's accounts without a significant twinge of envy. Sounds
like a great, great time.
I am especially curious about ``Cowboy in the Distance'' and ``Black Sky
Shining.'' Everybody seems to *really* love them, but I'm not getting much
sense of the actual songs.
Story songs? Topic? Theme? Does either evoke any other Stewart songs? Is
``Black Sky Shining'' Hale-Bopp related? Anyone remember any lyrics? Better
yet, any way to get the lyrics of each on one of the websites?
My envy aside, I really do appreciate several of you taking the time to
send the set lists and the details. Hope we Northwesterners get a chance to
return the favor someday. -- Don
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Subj: A Little Help Is Requested
Date: 97-04-08
From: ddunet@concentric.net (Michelle Stevens)
Thanks to you all for making this list a great success! We've had many new
subscribers (probably as a result of the last two shows where people are
sporting their "Seattle Mister?" badges.
Would anyone traveling to the Pawling, NY 13 April show please e-mail me
and include your starting point? I have a few questions regarding
navigation.
Thanks much.
Michelle
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Subj: Re: INTRODUCTION
Date: 97-04-08
From: donfish@sttl.uswest.net (D&L Ruiz/Peeveyroo)
Catherine wrote:
>I planned on a
> daughter named Ludi. Ludi was, and still is, my favorite John-created
> character. ( Gosh, my eyes water just thinking about her. ) Anyone know
> if she was based on a real person?
Welcome to the list Catherine. Nice introduction.
I don't know if there was a real Ludi. But in John's little treasure of a
book, American Sketches, he writes of the song ``Signal to Ludi'': ``I
vividly remember my Father buring black widows with a rolled up newspaper
when I was a boy. It was such a visually brutal act that it remains clear
to me today. This is a song about the end of innocence.''
-- Don
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: PFARNAM@aol.com
Hello Folks,
Can anybody tell me where I can find "The Last Hurrah" on tape or CD? I
thought I had all of John's albums, but I can't find that song. HELP!!
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Subj: Finger
Date: 97-04-08
From: DBATTI@aol.com
Finger is in the works as we speak....I would say hopefully sometime in May
if all goes well. The Finger staff has been hanging out lately on the Santa
Monica Pier for some strange reason...anyone know what that's all about? If
they can keep their mind on their work, this Finger will include stories on
Rough Sketches, Darwin's Army, Pete Seeger Tribute Album, and maybe an
article on all this internet madness, + more stuff.
Hey, hope to see you East Coasters on this tour....Ciao...Dave
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: KKirby@OCI.net
Hello everyone!
We really, REALLY loved John Stewart at McCabe's. It was just a dream come
true for us!!!! Thank you so much to Rhea and Mott for saving us up-front
center seats!!!! You are saints!!!! We really loved "July" <grin> to remind
us of our early days in love! We enjoyed meeting Dave. We wish we could have
hung out later, but my husband's bedtime is usually 9 pm (he's a
stockbroker, and gets up at 5 am -- even on weekends cuz he plays golf -- so
we were way over his bedtime after the 10:30 show which ended around 12:30).
We liked the Dylan/Seeger songs, but wished John had done more of his own.
We're upset we missed Pirates.
We really enjoyed meeting so many of you all and wished we had met everyone.
Hope we can see you all again and others.
Hey, why doesn't John book something down in Orange County? Several we met
at John's concert live down here and there are others we know who'd come.
What about it??? And soon!!!!
Duncan & Karen Kirby
kkirby@oci.net
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Subj: help??
Date: 97-04-08
From: paulburbank@earthlink.net (PAUL BURBANK)
PFARNAM--I THINK YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR ON THE PHOENIX
ALBUM AS PART OF THE LAST CAMPAIGN TRILOGY
HAVE FUN PAUL CABO323
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Subj: Re: help??
Date: 97-04-08
From: PFARNAM@aol.com
not on my CD - perhaps it's on a tape or album? Anybody else have any ideas?
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Subj: Telling it like it is
Date: 97-04-08
From: KKirby@OCI.net
Well a music reviewer, I'm not, so I can't really do any better than anyone
else who attended the McCabe concert and reviewed his performance there. We
really enjoyed John.
But I must say, again, that John is the most soulful folk singer I've ever
heard. And, unlike other performers, he is in person very close to his
recordings. We just feel so much closer to him now having heard him in
concert.
Karen
kkirby@oci.net
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: battery@teleport.com (Battery Express!)
"The Last Hurrah" is track 9 on the "Fire In The Wind" LP that many of us
would do almost anything to see make it to CD! You would be lucky to
find it on tape. I have a pretty clean
LP of it. I can make a good tape in dolby B or C for you if you would
like. Let me know.
Mike
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: t_mstrin@qualcomm.com (Merle Stringfield)
The song "Last Hurrah" is on "Fire in the Wind", the lone RSO album that
has not made it to CD. The cassette exists, and would probably be found by
way of 'Goldmine' or thru a tape & record search service. Recording it from
vinyl is an option too. Good Luck!! All 3 RSO albums would have made a
terrific double CD set. Could have called it "John Stewart: The RSO Years"
Merle Stringfield
Santee, CA
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Subj: Re: INTRODUCTION
Date: 97-04-08
From: cnewton@fyi.net (Christopher Newton)
>And now that you mentioned it, what's the latest on The Finger? Anyone know
>when the next one's coming out?
>Just curious, doncha know ...
>Missouri Bird,
>Kent
>
Kent's questions reminded me of one thing that really bugs me about The
Finger. It's published so irregularly, you never really know when your
subscription has run out. So come on Homecoming, give us The Finger!
Kit Newton
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Subj: Re: INTRODUCTION
Date: 97-04-08
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
At 10:15 AM 4/8/97 -0400, Christopher Newton wrote:
>Kent's questions reminded me of one thing that really bugs me about The
>Finger. It's published so irregularly, you never really know when your
>subscription has run out. So come on Homecoming, give us The Finger!
>
>Kit Newton
>
Sure ya do...there's a little number on your mailing label....there are
usually instructions as to which number means what issue your subscription
runs out with.
Nancy
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Subj: Re: INTRODUCTION
Date: 97-04-08
From: cockatoo@bslnet.com (Nancy Talbott)
At 10:15 AM 4/8/97 -0400, Christopher Newton wrote:
>Kent's questions reminded me of one thing that really bugs me about The
>Finger. It's published so irregularly, you never really know when your
>subscription has run out. So come on Homecoming, give us The Finger!
>
>Kit Newton
>
Sure ya do...there's a little number on your mailing label....there are
usually instructions as to which number means what issue your subscription
runs out with.
Nancy
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: DMotley@aol.com
Greg,
Sorry you missed Peter & Paul. They were the short bald dudes who were
sitting up against the wall on the right side of audience near the rear.
Patrick Farnam made it a point to introduce me to them just before the
second show.
Another point of interest; you might remember that John invited a guy named
Max, who was sitting near me in the front row, to come on stage to lead us in
singing "Daydream Believer". John said he had known Max since he was in a
baby carriage (Max that is). I was wondering who the heck Max was.
Yesterday I learned from Patrick that he was Max Kennedy. I believe he
is Robert and Ethyl Kennedy's youngest. You may recall that John & Buffy
campaigned with Bobby Kennedy from the back of the train as it travelled
accross Calif. in June of '68. John & Buffy would sing to warm up the
crowds before Sen. Kennedy would make a speech from the back of the train.
( See album cover pictures from "The Last Campaign). An interesting side
note to all of this is that I got to interview Sen. Kennedy , for my college
radio station, at the Strawberry Festival in Garden Grove just two days
before he was assassinated at the Ambassador Hotel. (Irresistible Targets).
At least I got to talk to Bobby Kennedy; I'm not sure if Max ever got a
chance. Wish I had known who Max was when he was sitting near me the other
night. I would have liked to chat with him. Maybe next time.
"Keep it flyin' " ,
MOTT
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Subj: Re: help??
Date: 97-04-08
From: cnewton@fyi.net (Christopher Newton)
>not on my CD - perhaps it's on a tape or album? Anybody else have any
ideas?
>
It's on John's "Fire In the Wind Album." I'll tape it for you, if you'd
like, although the sound quality won't be perfect. I figure RSO can't sue
me, as it no longer exists.
Kit Newton
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Subj: Various
Date: 97-04-08
From: GregDenis@aol.com
In a message dated 97-04-08 01:21:47 EDT, Marty writes:
<< While the KT and the Mitchell Trio and PP&M were popular with mostly
"white
bread" songs, as someone called them, it is important, at least for me, to
remember that "protest" songs have always been a part of the folk music
tradition. Woody Guthrie, for example, who is a sort of benchmark for folk
songwriters, wrote dozens of songs that would be considered "protest" by any
definition. "Deportees" is as poignant today as when it was written. (For
some of the younger members in the group, this is a very moving song about
illegal aliens being deported back to Mexico and their plane crashing). >>
You may recall that John backs Nanci Griffith (along with Steve Earle and
someone else whose name escapes me now) on an upcoming vetrsion of
"Deportee," to be released on her second album of cover songs. The thread
goes on
Don Peeveyroo writes:
<I am especially curious about ``Cowboy in the Distance'' and ``Black Sky
Shining.'' Everybody seems to *really* love them, but I'm not getting much
sense of the actual songs.
Story songs? Topic? Theme? Does either evoke any other Stewart songs? Is
``Black Sky Shining'' Hale-Bopp related? Anyone remember any lyrics? Better
yet, any way to get the lyrics of each on one of the websites?>
Well, I'll try but probably won't get it right because I've only heard the
songs once "Cowboy" talks about a young woman who catches the narrator's
eyes. She's waiting for a traffic light, if memory serves, which of course
turns into a metaphor for another kind of light, and the very singable chorus
goes something like, "And she shines in the nigh, just waiting for the light.
I'm a cowboy in the distance, waiting for the light." It's a medium to slow
tempo song. "Black Sky" or whatever the title is, is written from the
perspective of several cretures or phenomena, with the theme seeming to be
that as diverse as they all seem, they are all connected. That sound vague, I
know, but even on first listening, it's a strikingly poetic song. John
performed it solo with, I think, his 6-string, maybe capoed up a couple
frets. It's sure to be a classic Stewart song.
PFarnum writes:
<Can anybody tell me where I can find "The Last Hurrah" on tape or CD? I
thought I had all of John's albums, but I can't find that song. HELP!!>
As others have observed, it's on Fire in the Wind, which has yet to make it
to CD. It's also a critical song in John's career, a signal at the time of
his frustration with the music business (pre-RSO recording contract), an
indication that he was about to end his performing career. He changed his
mind, thank goodness. I love having the song back in his repertoire, but I
hope its reappearance isn't a sign that we are truly nearing the last hurrah
of his performing.
-- Greg
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Subj: Cockatoos, The Finger, and Ludi
Date: 97-04-08
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Nancy, I was pleased to hear from you. Sorry your cockatoo left with
your husband. I hope you are coping alright, that you have support of
friends and family(and Miranda)and that you are following Angelbravo's
good advice on forgiveness.
"Dave", thanks for the quick update on The Finger. We're just wondering,
not trying to rush you. We are eager to find out though, what the latest
is on the Purple Daves.
Don, thanks for information on the origins of little Ludi. "This is a
song about the end of innocence" certainly fits,and also explains why
the song had such an emotional impact on me. I bought "Signals Through
the Lookinglass" right after I bought "California Bloodlines" I was 19
and losing my innocence in a very painful way. It was 1969: love, peace
and flowers were all around (it was the BEST time to be 19) but violence
was all around us, too. Viet Nam, Chigago, Robert Kennedy, Martin Luther
King. Also, like John, I'd been raised Catholic and at that point,
Catholicism had lost all meaning for me. But Ludi meant something to me,
and so did the rest of the music. It helped me survive at times when I
didn't know if I could survive.
Bloodliners, I am new to E-mail and trying to learn how to paste in just
a few lines of the post I'm responding to. Haven't mastered it yet, so I
gave up for this post. I hope you don't find it confusing. I promise to
get some tutoring in this art.
Catherine
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Subj: Lee Bittner's Capitola Question
Date: 97-04-08
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Bloodliners, Lee e-mailed me privately with questions about the Capitola
appearance. I will send my answer through Bloodlines as I assume the
information may be required by many of you.
I am getting our tickets today. When I called about prices I was given
only one so I assumed that meant general seating. I have not been to the
Capitola Theater for a concert. Until a few months ago, it was a movie
theater (I remember seeing HELP there when I was 15). I wish they were
playing at Palookaville, it is cozier and you can have a glass of wine -
but if Capitola is where they're playing, Capitola is where we'll have
to go. It's a very small, very pleasant town, but it's not likely
you'll be able to park near the theater, especially on a Saturday night.
There are city parking lots within easy walking distance. The theater
itself is almost on the beach. You'll find lots of beachfront
restuarants and alehouses - watch out for Margaritaville, if you go in
you might not be able to get back out until Sunday morning. As for the
BEST place to eat, I do not know. My favorite (great food and the site
of our post wedding brunch) was the Balzac Bistro. Sadly, it closed it's
doors last month. Will update you if I learn anything new after I
purchase our tickets. Catherine
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Subj: CAPITOLA
Date: 97-04-08
From: paulburbank@earthlink.net (PAUL BURBANK)
WAS AT MCCABES--HADNT SEEN JS IN 25 YEARS --NEED ANOTHER JOLT--HEADING
TO CAPITOLA--HAVING TROUBLE RUNNING DOWN WHERE TO GET TICKETS--LIVE IN
SO CAL AREA --THANKS PAUL
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Subj: Re: help??
Date: 97-04-08
From: DMotley@aol.com
Patrick,
"The Last Hurrah" is on the FIRE IN THE WIND LP. Let me know if you want me
to record it for you. It's also on Neon Video #1, and I think on Video #2
as well.
Keep it flyin' , MOTT
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Subj: Re: Vicarious Pleasure
Date: 97-04-08
From: PeterB1103@aol.com
Having only attended the second show at McCabe's, it's obvious there were
many differences between the two playlists that night. Even had we known the
playlist from the first show, there would have been plenty of spontaneity at
the second.
One thing everyone seemed to agree on is: The "Black Sky Shining" song --
whatever its true name may be -- is phenomenal. Is there any chance it will
be available on a tape or CD anytime soon? I need it. And I hope it doesn't
go the way of "All the Desperate Men" and "Rocks and Blues".
Notwithstanding the great new songs at McCabe's, "Bloodlines" and "July" and
"Daydream" all sounded fresh and alive. ("Never finer or better than today",
I thought.) How does he do it?
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Subj: CAPITOLA TICKETS
Date: 97-04-08
From: alleycat@cruzio.com
Paul, call BASS Tickets at 408 998-2277. You can charge them over the
phone. Glad you'll be there.
Catherine
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Subj: TICKETS
Date: 97-04-08
From: paulburbank@earthlink.net (PAUL BURBANK)
CATHERINE --YOU ARE GREAT--SCARY WHAT I GOT INTO HERE --THESE
BLOODLINERS MAKE IT HAPPEN--CALLED --GOT TICKET GOT ROOM FILLED UP MY
CAR--SEE YOU THERE THANKS----PAUL
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Subj: Re: help??
Date: 97-04-08
From: lnhfbo@polaristel.net (Luke N. Havumaki)
It is also done on (plug,plug...for a great product) Neon Video 2. And
nicely done at that. After listening/watching video I did make myself a
tape of Fire In The Wind on one side and Signals..on the other. Well,
after two days of listening to Rough Sketches I love Neon Road!
Luke
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Subj: Re: Cockatoos, The Finger, and Ludi
Date: 97-04-08
From: GregDenis@aol.com
In a message dated 97-04-08 15:23:51 EDT, Catherine writes:
<< "Dave", thanks for the quick update on The Finger. We're just wondering,
not trying to rush you. We are eager to find out though, what the latest
is on the Purple Daves.
>>
When I asked John about the newsletter at McCabe's the other night, he
suggested we all send e-mail to Lordfrench@aol.com and tell him we want The
Finger. (I think this may be a sublte form of friendly revenge for
Lordfrench's effort to have us all lobby John via e-mail on releasing those
old tapes to John's adoring public, but it seems like a good idea
nonetheless.) So Lordfrench, when's the newsletter gonna be done?
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Subj: Re: McCabes
Date: 97-04-08
From: Bluesy33@aol.com
In a message dated 97-04-08 03:15:32 EDT, you write:
<< Can anybody tell me where I can find "The Last Hurrah" on tape or CD? I
thought I had all of John's albums, but I can't find that song. HELP!! >>
......Fire In the Wind LP......"Keep your dreams as clean as
silver".......Bluesman out
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